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Postby Czhorat on Tue Jan 09, 2001 5:42 am

Just a quick question for our new writer:<P>Have there been any thoughts of changing the physical layout of CCS? On one hand, your experiments in Fans (http://www.faans.com for those who came in late) really added something to the storytelling. On the other hand, CCS has a very attractive, distinctive look that I'm not sure you'd want to tamper with (or that Gisele would let you!). On the other hand, having to scroll to read each page IS a bit of a downer...<P>Don't get me wrong; I don't want this to turn into another Fans. I already read Fans. I DO think it'd be interesting to play with the shape of the online comic though.
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Postby Gisele Lagace on Tue Jan 09, 2001 5:56 am

Well, my thoughts on this are:<P>I'm a big fan of comic books and their format as well. I want to master the art of it before going crazy and wild with the format. It's a bit like when I started to learn anatomy. At first, I drew very realistic human figures, then slowly started to experiment in order to find a style to call my own - I'm still workin' on that one <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>I'm not saying no to the idea but right now I'm "in general" happy with the way it looks.<P>------------------
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Postby Guest on Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:38 am

Heck, Czhorat, you should know that most of my wonky formatting experiments involve MORE scrolling, not less.<P>There's another factor, too... a lot of online comics publishers would like to get their work into other formats someday, if they haven't already. With FANS, I made the choice to stay Web-only, which gave me more design freedom... but Gisele may want to keep that option open. We haven't discussed it yet...<P>I'm still gettin' over the fact that I finally get to write for a comic with a *colorist!*
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Postby Czhorat on Wed Jan 10, 2001 5:42 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T Campbell [faans.com]:
<B>Heck, Czhorat, you should know that most of my wonky formatting experiments involve MORE scrolling, not less.
</B> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>True, but I think you really got something out of it. I guess I'm with Scott McCloud on this one; if you're gonna have to scroll anyway, just go nuts with it. If not, you might as well cut the page in half (like in Argon Zark) so it all fits on one screen. Just my opinion (and Scott's!).<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
I'm still gettin' over the fact that I finally get to write for a comic with a *colorist!*</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, that is kinda neat. I think those few colored pages in Fans spoiled you. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby parryzane on Sun Jan 14, 2001 3:45 am

As a devoted reader of both CCS and Fans, I can't help but voice my opinion here.
Although I do like the more free-form aspect of some comics - merging frames, eliminating frames, overflowing boundaries, etc. - I can't say I like the horizontal scrolling. Then again, the only reason for that is because my mouse scroller doesn't go that way ^_^
Still, far be it for me to influence the creator of such a masterpiece.<P>(he, he, he; 'wonky formatting')<P>------------------
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Postby Guest on Sun Jan 14, 2001 11:55 am

Interesting.<P>Judging from the above opinions I'm starting to think that most of those who stated their beliefs above haven't explored a large amount of the Keenspace lot yet.<P>I'm not critisizing them at all, but from all the comics I read online, I think there is only one (Class Menagerie) in which I don't have to do some type of scrolling. It has gotten to the point where I fully expect to have to move my screen in order to read the entire comic and/or move to the next comic on my list. To me it has just become part of the reading.<P>Personally I would be hard pressed to think of any other way in which to format the comic, either vertically or horizontally. I guess sometimes I become too much of a creature of habit and when someone radically changes the perspective from which to view the comic, I tend to have caniptions (whatever those happen to be...)<P>My opinion is to stay with the format available and don't bother changing unless you either get syndicated (and they ask for a different format) or you get a deluge of responses that differ from mine. (You know...change the shape or the dog gets it, Ngah!)
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Postby Czhorat on Mon Jan 15, 2001 5:24 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NeverMore:
<B>Interesting.<P>Judging from the above opinions I'm starting to think that most of those who stated their beliefs above haven't explored a large amount of the Keenspace lot yet.<P>I'm not critisizing them at all, but from all the comics I read online, I think there is only one (Class Menagerie) in which I don't have to do some type of scrolling. It has gotten to the point where I fully expect to have to move my screen in order to read the entire comic and/or move to the next comic on my list. To me it has just become part of the reading.
</B> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>There are plenty non-scrollers out there. One of the better ones that comes to mind is the venerable Argon Zark (http://www.zark.com). It isn't TOO hard to fit a comic onto one screen.<P><B> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
Personally I would be hard pressed to think of any other way in which to format the comic, either vertically or horizontally. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>There are plenty of ways to do it! Starting midway through the second storyline, T did some really wonky things in Fans (http://www.faans.com). Fans was originally published on dead trees, but is now online only (and enjoying its freedom).<P>For some real free-form expression, check out Scott McCloud's online work (http://www.scottmccloud.com). He has some really great stuff there, and all of it is formatted rather strangely.
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