Trying to get things rolling...

A warrior (Bruno) and a small dragon (Fiona) team up for fun and plunder in this fantasy comic strip.

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Trying to get things rolling...

Postby Limax on Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:09 pm

So, how about that monster? Is it big or what? :o
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Postby mouse on Wed Nov 13, 2002 12:47 pm

boy, you're lucky unit can't see you now....'battle of wits', indeed.

this story line looks highly promising - i suspect ian is going to take us on a little political diversion, to comment on responses to recent events - and i for one look forward to it. the dead deserve respect, and that's exactly what a lot of people fail to show them when they start trumpeting the 'memorial' cause.

go for it, ian - and remember, as a canadian, the u.s. administration can't brand you as 'unpatriotic'!

(well, they can, of course, but hopefully someone on the joint chiefs of staff or something will point out that canada is a whole seperate country.)
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Postby Limax on Wed Nov 13, 2002 1:13 pm

Really? Canada is a seperate country? Boy.. and here I thought we were one big global family...

This current storyline is showing promise, yes... and I recognized the point made in today's strip. But, I also remember watching a couple of buildings fall on TV live...
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Postby Major Tom on Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:07 pm

I avoided watching them from the windows in my office...


...kind of glad, at that -- it bothered me enough to begin with, I didnt' need to have those images...


...I actually haven't watched any footage of the hits or collapse.
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Postby mouse on Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:08 pm

so do i - but i don't see where selling a teeshirt emblazoned with flags and teary-eyed slogans changes the situation for the better (except the financial situation of the seller). and i _really_ don't see that calling everyone who disagrees with you 'unpatriotic' helps either. i think that often the bravest, most patriot act is pointing out that the leader is perhaps making a mistake.

now all i need is to find a political party that believes that too.....
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Postby Limax on Wed Nov 13, 2002 2:33 pm

Mouse - good luck. I'm so fed up with our two-party system that I'm ready to flee to Canada. Maybe we should form a new party... The Limouse party!
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Postby scadada99 on Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:11 pm

Limax wrote:Mouse - good luck. I'm so fed up with our two-party system that I'm ready to flee to Canada. Maybe we should form a new party... The Limouse party!


Tell me about it. I hope I don't incite a flame war here(if I do, feel free to poke me into submission), but I find it unsettling that our President is more intent on showing off the size of his manhood by declaring war on Iraq then fixing the bloody economy in this country. :x

And speaking of the Limouse party, I'd vote for you guys.

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Postby Limax on Wed Nov 13, 2002 3:22 pm

Oh, darn... I left my poker somewhere on another board....
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Postby mouse on Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:22 pm

i actually voted green for a number of offices in the last election - not because i thought they would actually get elected or anything, but just so i could vote without voting for either of The Big Two.

and scadada, i agree with you completely. and the thing that is _really_ depressing, is that the one of the first questions a media person asked him after the election was what he planned to do with his 'mandate'. both houses are about as close to balanced as they will ever be, there were any number of elections that were real squeakers - but because the republicans picked up a couple seats, suddenly they have a 'mandate'. which they will interpret as permission to ignore the wishes of fully half the country.

the man needs to remember, he's president of the _whole_ country - not just his buddies in big business.

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of course, if we make it the 'limouseene' party, then _we'll_ have an excuse to ride around in big cars....

oh, and scadada - where did you find the cents symbol? i think it's so sad that it has disappeared from keyboards....
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Postby Limax on Thu Nov 14, 2002 2:53 pm

[quote=mouse]oh, and scadada - where did you find the cents symbol? i think it's so sad that it has disappeared from keyboards....[/quote]

I'm sure it's available under some alt-code. (I'm sure scadada could let us know...)

As for me, I missed voting by 6 minutes. Class got out late, although there was no traffic... so, I can't complain about any of the people voted... although I'll still complain about the idiots in the parks department. I've never seen such little respect given to our parks during the election. Note to future candidtates: A park is NOT a good place to put your signs if you're running for the parks department...
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Postby sun tzu on Thu Nov 14, 2002 3:14 pm

I don't live in the US - as a matter of fact, not on either American continents - but I do read alot on US politics, and am fed up, too, with the two-parties system. Here, in France, the two main parties also get most votes every time without satisfying anyone, although their majority is less crushing. But in the last elections, the Left got somewhat fragmented, and the main left-wing party ended up getting less votes...Than the "Front National", the racist, xenophobic party led by Le Pen. Most people here were really ashamed, and on the second part of the elections, even leftists like me demonstrated in the streets in favor of the corrupt right-wing candidate Chirac. A fairly representative slogan was "Votez escroc, pas facho!" ("vote for crook, not for fascist!"). Now Chirac is president for 5 more years, even tough everybody knows he's been embeezling from the State for years, and will keep avoiding any investigation with his presidential immunity until his mandate ends (thankfully it's his second mandate, so he can't get re-elected aferwards). So I guess that here, it's kind of a dilemna: If we don't vote for the crooks, are we helping the neo-nazis? (yes, neonazi is a hyperbole here. But not by a large enough margin.)
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Postby scadada99 on Fri Nov 15, 2002 6:06 am

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Postby Limax on Fri Nov 15, 2002 9:04 am

Yeah... that's the first time I tried to do a 'quote' without using the 'quote' button... my bad... Oh, well... it'll just give mouse more fodder to come after me with...
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Postby mouse on Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:08 pm

i chose to interpret it as a gesture of respect - so often one "quotes" things because one doesn't really "mean" it - you wanted to be clear you meant the real, unadulterated mouse. (besides, fodder makes a poor weapon - it's too limp to poke people with, and it falls apart when you try to throw handfulls.)

sun tzu points out the problem with multiparty systems - which is that one looney with a lot of friends can come out ahead of a number of rational people, especially if the rational people are basically similar - so the 'rational person' vote becomes too fragmented. but the two party system makes it too easy for a candidate to assume a vote for him is a vote for _everything_ he stands for - not that, overall, he's just not as bad as the other guy.

anyone here from new york? they seem to have a system where minor parties can list major party candidates, so one votes for both a person and a party - which i have seen supported as allowing the voter to indicate which general philosophy he supports, as well as candidate. (did that explanation make any sense?). theoretically, that should let the candidate have a better idea of what exactly it is about him that people like....one can always hope that will make some impression. but does it actually work that way in ny?

(oh, and scadada - thanks! now i too can put in my 2
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Postby Limax on Fri Nov 15, 2002 1:25 pm

Mouse - I seriously think that Major Tom is from New York, based on something else he said.

As for you and me... Well, we know where we're stuck. Go PG&E!
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Postby showler on Fri Nov 15, 2002 7:39 pm

I still get freaked out by American ballots. How many damn things do you guys have to vote on anyway? Around here the ballots are small slips of paper with a list of names and check boxes. Put an X next to the one you hate least, fold, drop in cardboard box, go home, that's it.

Cool thing is the TV guys tell you who won and by approximately how much within minutes of polls closing, they've got exit polls down to a science. Bad thing is I'm on the east coast so I have to wait till those lazy bastards out west finish voting before they can tell us the results.

Did anyone see the ballots in NJ (I think) where they had touch screens but the law says you have to be able to see the whole ballot at once so they ended up with these huge 50 inch screens in the voting booths?
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Postby Limax on Fri Nov 15, 2002 8:03 pm

We just got computer screens for voting in California for the first time this year. I tried them out at the county fair last summer and they seemed okay. I missed voting this year by the slimmest of margins due to my work and school schedule, but I guess it was okay.

I talked to a friend of mine who runs one of the voting booths and got the other end of the story. I guess it was the biggest pain in the rear in quite a while.
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Postby mouse on Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:13 pm

my section of the state still has the punch cards, although now we have signs telling us to be sure the hole has been completely punched through. (ah - the joys of technology!). no real machinery involved - there's this gadget that holds the ballot and a copy of the ballot booklet, so you know which holes are which, and you just punch through with a stylus. i always wanted to vote in an actually vote-o-matic - you know, the kind with the curtain where you pull all the levers and stuff. guess those are on their way out now....

and let's see, as to how many things to vote on...as i recall, this time it was:
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1 governor
1 lt. governor
1 sec'y of state
1 controller
1 treasurer
1 attorney general
1 insurance commissioner
1 sup. of public instruction
7 propositions

(locally)
1 congressman
1 assemblyperson
1 tax collector
2 city council members
2 school board members
numerous judges
1 proposition


so that's 23, plus judges (i just gave up on them)

i think we just try to have all the candidates for one office on the same page....

and you're right, limax, i remembered after i posted the the major is at least from the nyc area. he seems to be keeping quiet about voting though....
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Postby Major Tom on Mon Nov 18, 2002 1:38 pm

you draw a picture of your favorite pet and pull the lever -- just like the SAT's, right?
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Postby Limax on Mon Nov 18, 2002 2:07 pm

I kind of wish we still had the punch cards... the new sample ballots that came in the mail were harder to read. All of the candidates/propositions/judges were listed on one page with those fill-in bubbles next to them. The printing was so small that it was hard to read even when I had my glasses on.

mouse, I also don't vote for the judges... I know less about them than most of the major candidates. And I'm sure someone else would vote them in, so I didn't have to worry. I can't wait until next year, though. I'm going to work to vote our mayor out of office....
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Postby Whistle on Tue Nov 19, 2002 8:33 am

Hmm... I agree on the negatives to a 2 party election...
Here in the Netherlands there are lots of parties to choose from, and altough there are a few that are larger than the rest, as we found out this year that can change suddenly if they don't perform like they should.
(Though the goverment aready collapsed and we'll be heading for the vote offices again in januari... but thats a totaly different matter :wink: )
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Postby mouse on Wed Nov 20, 2002 4:10 pm

_that's_ the thing i like about parlimentary government - you don't have to wait 4 years to throw the rascals out.
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Postby Major Tom on Thu Nov 21, 2002 5:12 am

from what I've seen of Parlimentary houses, if they'd just employ some decent bouncers, half the buggers would be thrown out daily...
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Postby showler on Thu Nov 21, 2002 10:14 am

I've got this theory where in the future, with electronic voting, votes will be dynamic. Politician gets elected with 64% of the vote. Starts backing out on their promises, changing what they said they'd do. People go to the voting site (online or available at government offices, libraries) and either retract their vote because they don't like what said politician is doing, or give the politician their vote because they do like what said politician is doing. Percentage drops too low, things have to change (haven't worked out the details of this yet). Politician is always responsible to his voters, instead of several months of campaigning and four years of being virtually untouchable.
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Postby Whistle on Thu Nov 21, 2002 2:08 pm

Hmmm... I don't think that will work. Politicians trying to hard looking good to rule properly or making other look bad to 'boot' eh out of the house... I think huge discissions that concern a mayor event or important change could use a poll of their own. For example, let people vote on whether or not to attack Irak with or without UN support. I believe they already have done this on several occasions in Switserland... (uhm... voting I mean, not attacking Irak, unless ofcource there is something the swiss aren't telling us :-? )
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