Regarding "Merry Christmas" Banter

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Postby MDominic on Fri Dec 28, 2001 5:05 am

In reaction to your latest banter, I would like to send a note of agreement. You might find this surprising considering the source, but the ultra-sensitivity of some persons that causes this reaction strikes me as nothing more than hypocrisy, for which I will not stand.
To deny a Christian (or anyone) the freedom to say "Merry Christmas"...whether in print, on air, or in person, while supporting, for example, the Muslim "right" to a joyful Ramadan, the African "right" to a Happy Kwanzaa, or the Jewish "right" to a Happy Hanukkah, is to say that everyone else is right while the Christian is wrong. While I do not intend to argue the relative merits of any religion, I would like to point out that this is a non-rational discrimination which only inverts the old accusations levelled at white people, men and Christians.
If you, as a practicing Christian, want to wish someone a Merry Christmas, then you have the freedom rising out of your free will and personal belief system to do so, and no person, group or institution has the right to tell you otherwise. If the recipient of the good wish chooses to take offense, then they too have that freedom (note: "freedom", not "right") to do so. The sole parties to the transaction are you and the recipient(s), and everyone else can jump back on their bike and ride off.
Why am I defending you on this point? Simply because I think that it is only by reasoning through this sort of unfairly prejudicial behavior that people will arrive at anything resembling enlightened thinking and begin to treat each other as the reasoning, free-willed creatures that we are.<P>Merry Xmas
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Postby Antarius on Fri Dec 28, 2001 9:01 am

ROTFL!<P>Hey Ian, were you having a go at me with that Banter? I hope I haven't said anything to give you the impression that I am offended by people wishing me a "Merry Christmas..."<P>I am one of the "Non-Christian" readers (A Taoist Priest, acshewlly), who as such does not celebrate Christmas.<P>I do, however, respect that fact that many people, including Christians, do.<P>I can empathise with your concern about people's reactions to being wished a "Merry Christmas." The planet we live on is going a bit ga-ga of late.<P>When someone says it to me, I smile and wish them a Merry Christmas too, as I know it has significance for them. (I don't celebrate your Calendar either, sorry Ian. I guess I'm just a Heathen! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> )<P>C'mon everyone, it's time to Lighten up! If Ian, or anyone, wishes to portray feelings of goodwill to someone, then he/they can. It's just words.<P>(Words are just sound waves. How do sound waves coming out of someone's mouth go into your ears and cause a pain in your heart?)<P>
To everone, I hope you all had a Merry Christmas, Happy Hannukah, Happy Yak Shaving Day or whatever you celebrate/don't celebrate! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>Cheers,<P>(Rev) Ant
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Postby Ian McDonald on Sun Dec 30, 2001 12:13 pm

Happy Holidaze, Mike and Antarius! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Mike, I am not surprised that you agreed with me regarding my latest Banter. There are a number of issues we do not see eye to eye on, but I was pretty sure you'd be on my side on this one!<P>Antarius, the latest Banter was certainly <i>not</i> written because I thought you were offended by people saying "Merry Christmas". You have told me of your beliefs prior to this, and I know that where you are, you've had trouble with some Christians in your community, and for that I am sorry. But I never got the impression that you were "anti-Christmas" so to speak.<P>I honestly believe that most of those who don't celebrate Christmas wisely react the same way as you do when someone wishes them a Merry Christmas: smile and wish it right back to 'em, without choosing to take offense. Note what I said: <i>choosing</i> to take offense! After all, it is meant in the spirit of good will. I hope non-celebrants can take <i>that</i> from it, if nothing else.<P>Later,
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Postby Capn Lazarus on Mon Dec 31, 2001 10:18 am

.....It seems to me that many of the offended parties are offended on behalf of someone else. As such they are assuming much which is outside their right to assume--like,"Are they offended or do I just think they ought to be?"<P>Minding our own business should become more of a priority for us.<P>------------------
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Postby Antarius on Wed Jan 02, 2002 11:03 am

**** DISCLAIMER ****
The poster of the following message is a complete smart-arse. Any slight jabs are meant in humour only. All those with a TSOHF (Total Sense Of Humour Failure) should not continue past this point without getting slapped in the face with a wet trout.
**** END DISCLAIMER ****<P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian McDonald:
<B>Antarius, the latest Banter was certainly <I>not</I> written because I thought you were offended by people saying "Merry Christmas".</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Awww... Bugger! There goes my feeling of self-importance! :P<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian McDonald:
<B>You have told me of your beliefs prior to this, and I know that where you are, you've had trouble with some Christians in your community, and for that I am sorry. But I never got the impression that you were "anti-Christmas" so to speak.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey, no need to be sorry to me!<P>I found your Banter to be very eloquently written about a delicate issue. As you stated yourself, people are getting ridiculously over-sensitive nowadays.<P>The points that "I have suffered," is, to me, just another example of how people have lost the plot.<P>Religion is one of those things that irritates me a bit. Never has one thing caused so many wars and deaths*. <B>Obviously this is not pointed at any particular religion.</B> It is something that is common in most religious histories.** It's almost as bad as soccer fans!*** <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian McDonald:
<B>I honestly believe that most of those who don't celebrate Christmas wisely react the same way as you do when someone wishes them a Merry Christmas: smile and wish it right back to 'em, without choosing to take offense.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I think that all of the reasonable people do. It is unfortunate that, with like with many subjects, there are groups that go out of their way to take offense where none is intended.<P>It disheartens me to see people take a minority label with the sole intent to justify a chip-on-their-shoulder and give them the right to make others feel bad.****<P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian McDonald:
<B>Note what I said: <I>choosing</I> to take offense! After all, it is meant in the spirit of good will. I hope non-celebrants can take <I>that</I> from it, if nothing else.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Again, any "real" person would. After all, as you say, it is meant in the spirit of good will. A spirit in which millions of people band together and actually show some genuine goodwill to others.<P>Like a wise person once said; "It's the thought that counts."<P>More importantly, it is the <I><B>Intention</I></B> that people should take into consideration. If it is your intention that someone have good fortune and enjoy themselves in their life, what does it matter what you call it? Words are just that; Words.<P>
Fans of Red Dwarf will recall the "Holy War" between the Cats (who evolved to a humanoid life-form), which was started because each disagreed with each other about the colour of the hats "Cloister" would have them wear at the fabled "Fuschal." One side claimed they would be red, the other, green. Millions died in the war.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Lister (aka Cloister)
<B>That's Stupid! They were supposed to be Green!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Sorry, had to slip it in. Not often you can quote Red Dwarf in a serious discussion. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> Smeg.<P>
Cap'n Lazarus sums it up beautifully:<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cap'n Lazarus:
<B>Shurf, wur gonna fuk ya.
Wur gonna fuk ya sloooww.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Eeeek! Wrong Quote!<P>I meant this one:<P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cap'n Lazarus:
<B>It seems to me that many of the offended parties are offended on behalf of someone else.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We seem to have a group of 'International TroubleMakers' who make it their business to stick up for people's rights who don't seem to really care...<P>I guess these are people who just don't have enough to do with their time. Send 'em my way - I need help! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>
Keep your chin up all, and keep your sense of humour*****.<P>
Kind regards to all, in a non-sexist, non-judgemental, non-religious-specific, non-discriminatory fashion. <P>Also known as:<P>Cheers,<P>Antarius.<P>
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* Religion & Politics tend to be 2 topics guaranteed to start a fight.
** The Spanish Inquisition, The Crusades, The Thiry Year War, WWII (yes, it was based on a religious ideal), Tibet, Indonesia, et al ad infinitum.
*** Soccer fans should really be shot. They are an argument for Chlorinating the Gene pool! Hey, I'm just kidding! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
**** Not necessarily a minority either. Christianity is the 3rd largest religion in the world, and I know people who <B>claim</B> to follow one of the larger two, who seem to do so for the social label more than anything. A true follower of any religion is going to be secure in themselves enough not to take offense at something so petty.
***** Obviously this doesn't apply to residents of the U.S.A., who don't have a sense of humour. May they keep their sense of humor, instead. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
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Postby Antarius on Thu Jan 03, 2002 5:58 am

G'day all,<P>Whilst I was in the middle of sacrificing a virgin feline-cucumber hybrid creature on my makeshift alter, I couldn't help but think back to one of my own comments:<P>(Sure, it's bad form to quote yourself - but since when have <I><B>I</B></I> cared about good form?!) <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The Legendary, Wonderful (at least, full of something) Antarius:
<B>All those with a TSOHF (Total Sense Of Humour Failure) should not continue past this point without getting slapped in the face with a wet trout.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Why in the name of Potatoes would someone be reading Bruno if they do not posess a Sense of Humour/Humor?<P>If someone has a Sense of Humo(u)r, surely they are not going to take offense to something as benign as a wish of "Merry Christmas..." <P>Right?<P>
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Postby Antarius on Thu Jan 03, 2002 9:53 am

Shock horror!<P>I cannot believe what I saw today on the Bruno site! A wish for a "Happy New Year" to all of your readers!<P>That just absolutely disgusts me! I don't celebrate the Gregorian calendar, so how dare you wish me a Happy New Year!<P>And what's even worse, there was this big picture thingy that had a big snake on it. I mean, what is this site coming to? Next it'll have a cartoon strip on it!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"> <P>(Please note, this was pure sarcasm for the emoticon-challenged. Yes, I realise that Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - how do you think I mastered it?!)<P>And on an actually serious note...<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ian McDonald<B>
You have told me of your beliefs prior to this, and I know that where you are, you've had trouble with some Christians in your community</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'd just like to quantify this. I live in a city (technically) of ~14,500 pop'n. (No, that's not a typo - 10,000+ is a city).<P>As with many small cities/towns, there can be a tendency for peoples minds to be a little cramped for space. Sometimes it has been known for an eye to disappear, even. (One-eyed.)<P>The problems I have had can be directly attributed to this. Yes, I have been persecuted by <I>some</I> locals, but many couldn't, to coin a phrase, "give a toss what religion you are."<P>In fact, you won't find a populated area of the world without some FRZ's (Fanatical Religious Zealots.)<P>The Christians outside of this area seem to be a lot more tolerant. For example, I have a good friend in Melbourne who is an Anglican priest who let me stay with him whilst I was on business there.<P>
But then, there are other queer things that happen too. A couple of weeks ago, I found out that I had killed myself. I was most distraught to hear about my own death and promptly sent myself a sympathy card. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>My thoughts? Maybe it is something in the water... Or then, we had a bushfire go through 15HA of scrubland (with at least a few acres of Cannibis growing wild) right next to the city. Maybe the smoke got to a few people. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Speaking of which, I'm hungry... Gotta go. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><P>
Cheers,<P>Ant
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Postby Major Tom on Thu Jan 03, 2002 10:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Antarius:
<B>Kind regards to all, in a non-sexist, non-judgemental, non-religious-specific, non-discriminatory fashion. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Now, that's just creepy -- and besides, what fun are well wishes if you can't offend somebody?<P>
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***** Obviously this doesn't apply to residents of the U.S.A., who don't have a sense of humour.
</I></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>LoL! - nearly got me with that -- you and your wacky dictionnaries!
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