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Postby Sidhekin on Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:47 pm

Gav wrote:Ah, but see, I'm not trying to re-develop a Myers-Briggs test. It's not supposed to be a "personality type" matrix at all. I'm trying to catagorize the different forms of evilness, not the different types of personalities.

Extroversion and Introversion are not forms of evilness.

Ah, but neither are order, chaos, sanity, nor madness. Good can be said to be a form of evilness only in the most degenerate sense.

And calling evil a "form of evilness" is stretching it.

So I guess you could say you had me fooled. How's that for evil? :P
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Postby towr on Tue Aug 15, 2006 2:04 pm

Sidhekin wrote:
Gav wrote:Extroversion and Introversion are not forms of evilness.

Ah, but neither are order, chaos, sanity, nor madness. Good can be said to be a form of evilness only in the most degenerate sense.
Well, lawfull evil and chaotic evil are classic classifications.
Sane/mad overlaps order/chaos quite a bit though.
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Postby Sidhekin on Wed Aug 16, 2006 3:43 am

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Sidhekin wrote:
Gav wrote:Extroversion and Introversion are not forms of evilness.

Ah, but neither are order, chaos, sanity, nor madness. Good can be said to be a form of evilness only in the most degenerate sense.
Well, lawfull evil and chaotic evil are classic classifications.
Sane/mad overlaps order/chaos quite a bit though.

I think we're talking past one another ...

Lawful Evil is a form of evilness, sure. Lawful Good, I'm not so sure. Lawful as such -- surely not.

I'd argue that Extrovert Evil and Introvert Evil are forms of evil.

I'm not sure Extroversion/Introversion are the right terms, but the flavours of evil I use them to describe are precisely sadism and selfishness. They differ from Sadism/Selfishness in that they are (at least how I use them) independent of Good/Evil -- just like Lawful/Chaotic is -- in that they also describe flavours of good.

... as do all the other terms used, as far as I can tell.
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Postby Gav on Fri Aug 18, 2006 1:06 pm

I make a bit of a distinction between "lawful" and "order."

Anyway, I think of the Order/Chaos scale to be seen as a "form" of evil unto itself, separate from the traditional meaning of evil. Some might not see it as evil at all. Depends on what side of the scale you happen to be on.

One problem is that when I say "good/evil" is an axis, I really mean "the *traditional* good and evil." Maybe we need separate words for it. Like "nice/mean" or "altruistic/manevolent" or something.

Hm... Maybe we should've started this hunt off with a thesaurus search in the first place.

Another problem is that some of these are independent scales and other are modifiers. The sadistic/selfish axis, for instance, is simple a "style" of evil, whereas the "evil/good" or "order/chaos" scales have a "non-evil" end of the scale and an "evil" end (depending on how you view the order/chaos scale). I guess they aren't really equivalent axes.

Hmm... This is tougher than I thought.
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Postby suicide junkie on Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:37 am

How about these axes:
- Intentions (good to evil)
- Results (good to evil)
- Scale (None to Apocalyptic)

Note: "Scale" would be proportional to [frequency X severity], and should probably be plotted on a log scale.
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