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by **ClassMg** on Mon May 14, 2001 12:31 am

I feel pretty bad about Manny too. I think it hit hardest in his last strip where he started to disintegrate into binary bits. Dunno if any of you ever played the Nintendo game Link's Awakening, but the ending is sort of like that, the characters just pixel by pixel vanish. More heartbreaking to see a slow fade than a quick poof <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
Fortunately, it was tempered by a punchline <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">Vince
For a second I thought the thread title referenced Mary Tyler Moore. MAN...I'm not even that old! [This message has been edited by ClassMg (edited 05-14-2001).]

by **Tim Tylor** on Mon May 14, 2001 4:14 am

I'm still a bit haunted by poor Manny. All through the story he was heading for the exit - going from chirpy computer whizzmink to doomed abductee to stole to ghost to File Does Not Exist. And all the time the kid was working - warning Kevin, destroying the virus, shaking sense into Virgil, racing to set things straight before his lights went out. A real pro. I'm going to miss him.

by **BillBrd1** on Mon May 14, 2001 5:54 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tim Tylor:
I'm still a bit haunted by poor Manny. All through the story he was heading for the exit - going from chirpy computer whizzmink to doomed abductee to stole to ghost to File Does Not Exist. And all the time the kid was working - warning Kevin, destroying the virus, shaking sense into Virgil, racing to set things straight before his lights went out. A real pro. I'm going to miss him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
When I saw the MTM, I thought you meant Mary Tyler Moore! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/redface.gif">But anyway, welcome to the Newshounds board. Kick off your shoes and stay awhile!

by **Lord Emsworth** on Mon May 14, 2001 6:21 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally exclaimed by BillBrd1:
When I saw the MTM, I thought you meant Mary Tyler Moore!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The same thought occurred to me, actually. While a comparatively minor character, Manny the Mink had an endearing charm and proved to be surprisingly capable at his job. His death seemed surprisingly sudden and jarring (I'll look into the archives again, but the only other death I can recall was Hal's associate the "Professor," who never appeared on stage in his life.) Initially, it struck me as a bit jarring for "Newshounds," and I kept expecting it to be a joke, and suddenly see a bald Manny or have the stole run away or something. Yet, this also reminds us that certain realities such as death cannot be avoided, even in the world of the Newshounds. And I'd like to think that Manny is not merely a "file does not exist," but rather, I picture him in the heaven for deceased comic strip characters, talking with Mary Gold or playing Quake with Farley. Actually, something that had occurred to me regarding Manny's death. There were some outbursts in a recent thread regarding Roger's actions, but elsewhere, Mr. Dye stated words to the effect that skinning a mink for it's pelt is not considered a crime any more than it is in real life, even though Manny was sentient, talkative, and employed. In view of the latter, even if it was legal, would the animal's employer possibly be able to sue for, if not murder, at least for depriving the business of its employees? Considering certain work related lawsuits that pop up today, it would strike me as slightly possible.And yet, is the killing of any animal ignored in this society? If, say, as some have been suggesting, Roger had actually shot Alistair, even if animals are considered to be second-class citizens (or even lower, apparently), in real life, most pet owners would certainly want to see justice done towards anyone who intentionally harmed their pet, and indeed there have been court cases based on such incidents. Would not that option still exist? In which case, would one be correct in asusming that the killing of an animal might be prosecutes, though probably not as murder, if the deceased were a pet such as a dog or cat but not, say, a rat or a chicken or a cow? Animals which are often killed for food or material or other uses, or are considerd to be pests.Yet, Sam, a dog, could be prosecuted for murder when all he did was shout "Kill the umpire." There would appear to be a most unfair double standard in this society.Of course, I'm probably reading far to much into this, and I doubt whether these legal questions will be examined too deeply within the strip. Oh, and I'll second Bill's greeting, hello to Mr. Tylor.
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by **Rory O'Bannion** on Mon May 14, 2001 7:22 am

Hi Tim! When I first read it, I thought it said Tim Taylor as in Time the toolman Taylor!"Oh no,I've killed Wilson! Looks like it's back to jail for me!"

by **ThomasKDye** on Mon May 14, 2001 8:30 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Tim Tylor:
A real pro. I'm going to miss him.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Hello Tim and welcome to the board. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">Yes, Manny really was the hero of the story, and I almost regret not involving him more within the main Newshounds canon before this. In Mark II, he had a lot more stories written around him, but for some reason a lot of those didn't make their way to the web. Perhaps I'll run Manny's best story from the Mark II version (which also features Wolfram prominently... now who was THAT remark directed to? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> ) sometime in the future.
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by **ThomasKDye** on Mon May 14, 2001 9:05 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Lord Emsworth:
And I'd like to think that Manny is not merely a "file does not exist," but rather, I picture him in the heaven for deceased comic strip characters, talking with Mary Gold or playing Quake with Farley.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Or listening to "Pet Sounds" with Andy Lippincott (I think that's his name?) <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>In view of the latter, even if it was legal, would the animal's employer possibly be able to sue for, if not murder, at least for depriving the business of its employees? Considering certain work related lawsuits that pop up today, it would strike me as slightly possible.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There is no doubt that should Alistair find out about the circumstances, that he would be at the vanguard in trying to bring Roger to justice for his crime against Manny, with everyone else backing him up every step of the way. (Although all the dogs would have fewer illusions about what kind of weight
killing a mink would have with a judge. The D.A. would more likely use it as evidence that Roger is a killer, in a possible case of attempted murder againts Virgil.) <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>And yet, is the killing of any animal ignored in this society? ...even if animals are considered to be second-class citizens (or even lower, apparently), in real life, most pet owners would certainly want to see justice done towards anyone who intentionally harmed their pet, and indeed there have been court cases based on such incidents.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, there was the recent road rage case where a man picked up a dog from a woman's car and threw him into traffic. The man got a pretty severe sentence.Certainly it would be a huge deal, if, say, Swallowemup had shot Wolfram, Renata, Hal and Rochelle when he'd had a chance. Swallowemup didn't think so at the time, due to his Napoleon complex, but certainly killing four animals in cold blood bears its share of consequences even in the cynically twisted version of humanity that is the KPET world. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Would not that option still exist? In which case, would one be correct in asusming that the killing of an animal might be prosecutes, though probably not as murder, if the deceased were a pet such as a dog or cat but not, say, a rat or a chicken or a cow?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I asked the legal expert in my family (my mother) and it essentially becomes a civil case, the key charges being "destruction of property" and "cruelty to animals", the latter of which could also be charged to Roger. (As a wild animal, Manny is nobody's property.) Those could bring some hefty fines but no prison sentence (at least I don't think... correct me if I'm wrong). But criminal charges like murder and manslaughter don't apply to the animals. Alistair would have to search hard for precedents to bring someone who shot one of their own to justice. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Yet Sam, a dog, could be charged with murder when all he did was shout "Kill the umpire." There would appear to be a most unfair double standard in this society.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Sam's prosecution was largely because of a very politically-oriented D.A. Because Sam was a well-known sportscaster, he couldn't just be taken out and shot, like an errant Doberman might be by Animal Control. So the D.A. decided that putting him through the full judicial process would give him some credibility as a fair D.A. who was not soft on crime. It is a double standard, and just as sometimes the animals are brought to jail and other times they are brought to the pound, sometimes their fates depend upon the whims of the humans in charge. Just as sometimes our fates are dependent upon the caprices of some flaky people at the top. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Of course, I'm probably reading far to much into this, and I doubt whether these legal questions will be examined too deeply within the strip.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I like to be consistent, so it's good to examine the issues as they're presented. The key thing to remember is that, even though they talk, think, walk bipedally, and wear clothes, the animals are still animals rights-wise just as they are in this world. There may be a few fights for independence, but that will come later if it comes at all. As for exploring the nature of sentient animals vs. humans in the great sociological struggle, Albert Temple is doing it beautifully with his strip <A HREF="http://genecatlow.keenspace.com" TARGET=_blank>Gene Catlow</A>, so I would recommend that very highly. He puts the existence of talking animals in a historical context deftly, and, I believe, accurately. Thank you, Lord E, for your insightful and thought-provoking post! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">------------------
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by **genecatlow** on Mon May 14, 2001 10:47 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ClassMg:
I feel pretty bad about Manny too. I think it hit hardest in his last strip where he started to disintegrate into binary bits. Dunno if any of you ever played the Nintendo game Link's Awakening, but the ending is sort of like that, the characters just pixel by pixel vanish. More heartbreaking to see a slow fade than a quick poof <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
Fortunately, it was tempered by a punchline <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I dunno... it's probably a very silly thing
to think, but the fact that it was a slow
fade and not a quick poof... leads me to
believe that Manny may not have experienced
death as we know it at that point. If being
skinned didn't do him in (and that is what
should've brought about his demise) then is
he really dissolved into the Net?Or has he merely changed...? O_O(And Thomas calls my comic thought-
provoking!)

by **Rory O'Bannion** on Tue May 15, 2001 3:13 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by ClassMg:
Dunno if any of you ever played the Nintendo game Link's Awakening, but the ending is sort of like that, the characters just pixel by pixel vanish. More heartbreaking to see a slow fade than a quick poof <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I agree. It was a rather heartbreaking moment. But you never know, Manny could show up every now and then on a day when we least expect it.

by **BlueAloe** on Tue May 15, 2001 6:00 am

*sniff* Poor Manny......I can't say anything particularily meaningful, but I will say this: You will be missed. You were a martyr, Manny, and I'll deeply miss you.

by **Rory O'Bannion** on Tue May 15, 2001 6:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BlueAloe:
*sniff* Poor Manny......I can't say anything particularily meaningful, but I will say this: You will be missed. You were a martyr, Manny, and I'll deeply miss you.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Me too. *Sniff* He didn't deserve to die. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">

by **Gabumon** on Tue May 15, 2001 8:24 am

I feel sorry for Manny too. But there's a good side to this story...if luck holds for him, he could be recycled and end up in Primary Village, in the Digital World. Then, of course, he would be a Digimon like myself. Minkmon, anyone? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">Of course Thomas wouldn't do that, but it's fun to imagine. Nevertheless, I hope we see him again.------------------
GabumonAll over the Digital World, I keep hearing it: "All your base are belong to us." Humans can be so strange...

by **Megan** on Tue May 15, 2001 10:38 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by genecatlow:
 If being
skinned didn't do him in (and that is what
should've brought about his demise) then is
he really dissolved into the Net?Or has he merely changed...? O_O
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <IMG SRC="http://pixelated.purrsia.com/cast/p/p-megan.gif"> I suspect he'll have blue fur, hair light lightning and a big, yellow "M!" on his chest pretty soon. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">------------------
Meg
"I am not a weenie! YOU are the weenie!!"

by **JFD62780** on Wed May 16, 2001 6:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Megan: <IMG SRC="http://pixelated.purrsia.com/cast/p/p-megan.gif">
I suspect he'll have blue fur, hair light lightning and a big, yellow "M!" on his chest pretty soon. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>(breaks out in song)Super mink extrordinarre
MannyZoid! MannyZoid!(stops 'cause that's all he could think of, and besides, Megan's laughter makes him lose concentration, thus embarrassing him)Ummm.... Hi? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
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Until next post...[This message has been edited by JFD62780 (edited 05-16-2001).]

by **BillBrd1** on Wed May 16, 2001 10:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Gabumon:
I feel sorry for Manny too. But there's a good side to this story...if luck holds for him, he could be recycled and end up in Primary Village, in the Digital World. Then, of course, he would be a Digimon like myself. Minkmon, anyone? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">Of course Thomas wouldn't do that, but it's fun to imagine. Nevertheless, I hope we see him again.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Oh wow! A Digimon! Cool!Welcome aboard! I'm Bill. I'm not a Digimon. But I am a pelican, so I guess that's the next best thing. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">

by **Rory O'Bannion** on Wed May 16, 2001 11:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by BillBrd1:
 Oh wow! A Digimon! Cool!Welcome aboard! I'm Bill. I'm not a Digimon. But I am a pelican, so I guess that's the next best thing. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif"><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes, welcome to the forum. My name's Rory and I live here. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">

by **ShadOtterdan** on Thu May 17, 2001 2:43 am

Runs around in his, ummm, you do the rest.

by **Tim Tylor** on Sun Jan 25, 2004 4:29 pm

Tim Tylor wrote:I'm going to miss him.

I thought he'd duck.:o

Skane's Lonely LiveJournal · by **Skane** on Thu May 13, 2004 4:16 am

The name reminds me of Manny Calavera.

by **GothGuru** on Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:16 pm

It sounds like the deletetion that MegaMan NT Warrior just came
back from. They collected his data from everywhere he had been.
They put it together, then put it in his frame. After he defragged
himself he woke up and helped defeat Pharoeman.
I have got to scrape together the money to buy that third book.
If Manny comes back as a human killing program, I will have a hard
time placing blame on him. He would make a perfect Net Navigator
for the Earth First people. What if he takes over a human body
that was in a coma. There's a thought for holloween.

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