Self-indulgence

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Postby broberds on Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:23 am

OK, once again I'm so desperate to get people to post that I'm setting myself up for abuse.<P>SOAR was recently described as "puerile, self-indulgent trash", which I choose to take as constructive criticism.
Now, while I agree wholeheartedly with the "puerile" and "trash" parts, I must say I don't get the "self-indulgent" bit. I've always thought that I don't have enough ego to be self-indulgent. But I guess I do...so HIT ME! What are the worse examples of self-indulgitude in Soap on a Rope?
PS: Feel free to click on all the ads whilst poring thru the archives, and it may also help to yell "WWW.SOAPROPE.COM!" out the window with a bullhorn too. Try it, it's great therapy!<P>------------------
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Postby BoxJam on Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:46 am

>>SOAR was recently described as "puerile, self-indulgent trash"<P>I was just kidding around, Bob...<P>------------------
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Postby broberds on Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:50 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BoxJam:
<B>>>SOAR was recently described as "puerile, self-indulgent trash"<P>I was just kidding around, Bob...<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, but you put it in big flashing letters on the side of a blimp at the NFC championship game. I mean, *that's* my problem with it.
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Postby BoxJam on Mon Jan 22, 2001 10:51 am

Seriously, is there any other context that
might help us figure out what they meant
by self-indulgent?<P>In a sense, all web comics are (or should be)
self-indulgent, in that you're not really
doing it for the money, and you put up what
*you* think is funny.<P>If you're not putting up what you think is
funny, but what you think will 'sell' well,
that is, what will get readers, whether you
like it or not, then you're not self-
indulgent, but you're probably an a**hole.<P>I really can't think of any SoaR's that are
self-indulgent in any other sense (and I have
them all memorized). You've gone self-aware,
which isn't the same thing, like three times
in four years. You haven't put in the strips
what a great guy Bob Roberds is, nor how we
should all hate the people Bob Roberds hates.<P>Without other context, my guess would be that
whoever wrote that wasn't thinking through
what it meant, and only wanted to use some
big put-down words.<P>Jerk.<P>------------------
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Postby Lee Herold on Tue Jan 23, 2001 6:44 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BoxJam:
<B> You haven't put in the strips
what a great guy Bob Roberds is, nor how we
should all hate the people Bob Roberds hates.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>...Or named the comic "Bob Roberds' Doodle".
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Postby broberds on Tue Jan 23, 2001 7:19 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
<B> ...Or named the comic "Bob Roberds' Doodle".</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually I was planning to, but it turns out some bozo already owns "bobroberdsdoodle.com".<P>------------------
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Postby BoxJam on Tue Jan 23, 2001 9:37 am

Self-indulgent jerks.<P>------------------
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Postby frunk on Tue Jan 23, 2001 11:33 am

I think the "puerile, self-indulgent trash" comment is residual fallout from your naked anime chick newsbox. You have to admit that it started a trend that is still with us. Many of the other keenspot comics that are certainly rougher in subject matter felt the need to top you. Perhaps there is a grudge over the "cheapening" of some perceived webcomic standard, whatever that would be and regardless of where the responsibility lies.
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Postby broberds on Tue Jan 23, 2001 12:38 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frunk:
<B>I think the "puerile, self-indulgent trash" comment is residual fallout from your naked anime chick newsbox. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I feel fairly confident that if I were to die in the year 2067, after a long life in which I'd won the Nobel Peace Prize, invented a clean, economical fusion reactor, and served two highly successful terms as President of the United States, the headlines would say:
BOB ROBERDS, 'NAKED ANIME CHICK' GUY, DIES AT 103.
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Postby broberds on Wed Jan 24, 2001 1:46 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
<B> A New Hope et al, or Phantom Menace?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Like the New Hope one, but lately the rugged-version-of-Brad-Pitt thing has become so pronounced that my resemblance to C3P0 has faded away almost completely. I wish I had a picture to show you guys, but I never got around to having one taken. Curse my metal body, I wasn't fast enough!<P>------------------
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Postby Lee Herold on Wed Jan 24, 2001 6:48 am

Holy Sweet Jesus Lord, Bob. (That's an exclamation, not your title).<P>I just clicked on random weeks throughout the length of your archive. A sampling here and there. Every week I looked at contained at least one strip at which I had to supress an out-loud laugh. Anyone who doesn't like SOAR as intensely as the detractor you speak of can only be jealous of your talent. That's all I can think of.<P>As for the self-indulgent part, they likely assumed that Max is a thinly disguised you, and that SOAR is largely autobiographical, due to the unimaginative, mundane, happens-every-day storylines.<P>Have you ever talked to Plan 9 publishing? I'd kill for a SOAR book. I'd even kill BoxJam for one. And I like him. That's how much I want one.<P><P>------------------
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Postby broberds on Wed Jan 24, 2001 7:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
<B>Holy Sweet Jesus Lord, Bob. (That's an exclamation, not your title).
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not <I>YET</I>, maybe, but I'm working on it!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Anyone who doesn't like SOAR as intensely as the detractor you speak of can only be jealous of your talent.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE></B><P>Truth is, I've found out that:
10 The detractor wasn't talking abour SOAR after all
20 I'm an idiot
30 Goto 10<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
Have you ever talked to Plan 9 publishing? I'd kill for a SOAR book. I'd even kill BoxJam for one.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>You and me both!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
And I like him.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So do I, but sacrifices must be made.
Anyhoo, I'd like to do a book a lot, even though it would mean rescanning all my strips at high res <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/eek.gif">. But I haven't heard from Plan 9, and I'm entirely too chicken to ask them. I'm counting on them inviting me by mistake at some point, then I'll run with it.<P>
(Editing away extra quote tag. Where'd that come from???)<P>------------------
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Postby gopher on Wed Jan 24, 2001 7:10 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>(Editing away extra quote tag. Where'd that come from???)
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I bet it was that "goto" up there. You can never trust those things.
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Postby Lee Herold on Wed Jan 24, 2001 7:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>Truth is, I've found out that:
10 The detractor wasn't talking abour SOAR after all
20 I'm an idiot
30 Goto 10</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>So, BASICally, you were just trying to work the natives into a lather. <P>There's something about that phrase that makes me very uncomfortable.
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Postby Lee Herold on Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B> Like the New Hope one, </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Pretty-droid. Nancy.
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Postby broberds on Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:05 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
<B> So, BASICally, you were just trying to work the natives into a lather. <P>There's something about that phrase that makes me very uncomfortable.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I was really trying to work the natives into a <I>leather</I>. Does that make you any less uncomfortable?
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Postby broberds on Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gopher:
<B> I bet it was that "goto" up there. You can never trust those things.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I used Turbo Pascal for years before I found out it had a "goto" statement. I never bothered to figure out how to use it, which is probably just as well since it would have been a bad habit to get into.
And yes, I realize I'm dating myself by revealing that I used Turbo Pascal...but hey, if I didn't date myself I wouldn't get any dates at all. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby ThomasKDye on Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:22 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>but hey, if I didn't date myself I wouldn't get any dates at all. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>For God's sake don't become like Brad Pitt!!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
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Postby broberds on Wed Jan 24, 2001 10:32 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ThomasKDye:
<B> For God's sake don't become like Brad Pitt!!!! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Alas, it's too late. I've even started to look like him. It's true! Ask anybody!
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Postby Lee Herold on Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B> Alas, it's too late. I've even started to look like him. It's true! Ask anybody!
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Pretty boy. Nancy.
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Postby broberds on Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
<B> Pretty boy. Nancy. </B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No, I don't look <I>just</I> like him...I'm like a more rugged, less pretty-boy version of him.
I'm also told I bear a striking resemblance to C3P0.<P>------------------
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Postby Lee Herold on Wed Jan 24, 2001 11:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
[BI'm also told I bear a striking resemblance to C3P0.
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>A New Hope et al, or Phantom Menace?
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Postby broberds on Thu Jan 25, 2001 9:37 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lee Herold:
<B> Pretty-droid. Nancy.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Remember the Nancy Droid Mysteries? That was cool.<P>------------------
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Postby ThomasKDye on Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B> Remember the Nancy Droid Mysteries?
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sure, and the Hardy Bots.
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Postby broberds on Thu Jan 25, 2001 10:13 am

Those were the days! There just aren't any good robots on TV anymore...except Dan Rather, of course.<P>------------------
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