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Postby broberds on Wed Dec 20, 2000 2:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BoxJam:
<B>I'd suggest the baseline Gateway machine -
"Essentials."
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Cool. Gateway is indeed what I'm looking at. It's where I got my last two computers from, after all.
I know that I *should* be a hairy-chested he-man and build my own, and I used to do that back in the 80s, but nowadays I'm too busy for that kinda nonsense. And I need a machine pronto; can't afford to be down for any substantial length of time.
If do go down before I have a new machine up and running, then you guys can look forward to some SOAR reruns <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">.<P><P>------------------
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Postby gopher on Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:23 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>I know that I *should* be a hairy-chested he-man and build my own, and I used to do that back in the 80s, but nowadays I'm too busy for that kinda nonsense.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oops. That was going to be my suggestion.<P>*walks off waving a sword at random and shouting "I have the power!"*
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Postby broberds on Wed Dec 20, 2000 4:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gopher:
<B> Oops. That was going to be my suggestion.<P>*walks off waving a sword at random and shouting "I have the power!"*</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Naw, cuz I need it molto rapido. I *like* tinkering aroud with hardware, but not when it's the system I depend on! I find that I enjoy it a lot more when I'm messing around with somebody else's computer. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
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Postby gopher on Wed Dec 20, 2000 6:21 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B> Naw, cuz I need it molto rapido.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Si. Comprendo. I've had good luck with Gateway before, but the last system I bought from them was 3 or 4 years ago, and that system has since been poked and prodded to the point that a double-height scsi hard drive is now an integral part of the case, and it has gone from being simply a home computer to a file server/firewall named Pepe.<P>The only problem that I had with Gateway was that it took me a while to convince the tech support guy that the burn mark on the inside of the case indicated that the power supply had blown up, and yes, I had made sure that everything was plugged in. I think that the cdrom drive broke at one point as well, but that was probably my fault, and it was replaced quickly.<p>[This message has been edited by gopher (edited 12-20-2000).]
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Postby broberds on Wed Dec 20, 2000 8:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gopher:
<B> I've had good luck with Gateway before, but the last system I bought from them was 3 or 4 years ago ... and it has gone from being simply a home computer to a file server/firewall named Pepe.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I like to name computers Steve. At work it's kinda caught on and many servers and workstations are now named Steve and variants of Steve. I don't kid myself that anybody's going to find this all that fascinating, but hey, I just can't resist an opportunity to say "Steve".
Oh, and the last Gateway I bought was also four years ago. What's really pathetic is that that's *still* the system I use today! *Told* you it was time for a new un.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>
The only problem that I had with Gateway was that it took me a while to convince the tech support guy that the burn mark on the inside of the case indicated that the power supply had blown up, and yes, I had made sure that everything was plugged in. I think that the cdrom drive broke at one point as well, but that was probably my fault, and it was replaced quickly.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>The incredulous-tech-support-guy thing is common to all companies, cuz it's hard for the support people to tell over the phone if they're REALLY talking to a customer with clue or just one who's faking cluefulness. Makes if frustrating when you're the clueful customer, but hey, waddaya gonna do. Anyway, all I want from tech support is:
1) My two front teeth,
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2) Broken hardware that's under warranty to be replaced reasonably quickly.
Based on what I've heard from other Gateway owners, that's usually what you get. I've never had anything break under warranty, myself. Back in the days when I bought stuff out of the backs of trucks, on the other hand, it broke a LOT. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
Right now I'm looking at a LOADED configuration (60GB, 1GHz, 512MB, DVD/CD-RW and so forth). I figure I'm worth it, and I refuse to hate myself because I'm beautiful. But finding another 14" scanner? That's gonna be tuff. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"><P><P>------------------
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Postby broberds on Wed Dec 20, 2000 12:23 pm

OK, guys and guyettes. My old Pentium 200 is, much like phony Beatlemania, biting the dust. This morning it took a hour of trying to get it to boot. It's long past time for a new one anyway, so what should I get?
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Postby BoxJam on Wed Dec 20, 2000 12:41 pm

I'd suggest the baseline Gateway machine -
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Postby TheKodiak on Thu Dec 21, 2000 3:29 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>Wow, looks like I can have a hell of a Dell WITH the 21" monitor for a good price. We have a new front-runner!
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't buy Dell because they don't offer AMD processors, but that's just my moral outrage talking. That aside, Dell really is great, and in my experience / overhearage, is generally superiour to Gateway. Prices are generally better, too - they're not as concerned with raping you if you want a high-speed processor, although they try real hard to prevent you from finding out just how much you're paying for it.<P>Of course, I've never bought a desktop as a whole unit, except the $25 Pentium I bought a few months ago on a lark. So what do I know?<P>I'll tell you, though - putting a machine together from scratch is nowhere near the herculean task it used to be. I have gone from boxed components to a working system in under three hours, and replaced a motherboard in under an hour, and I'm a complete klutz when it comes to hardware. (For reference, the first time I replaced a motherboard, in an otherwise working system, it took me three days, because hardware was just that much wonkier back then.) Of course, the down side is that if something <B>does</B> go wrong, you're stuck with a thousand dollars worth of poo, and you're crying yourself to sleep with nothing but cirrhosis of the liver to show for your hours of work.<P>Uh. Sorry. I'm just really really bored, at the moment.
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Postby splunge on Thu Dec 21, 2000 7:15 am

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Postby TheKodiak on Thu Dec 21, 2000 9:00 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by splunge:
<B>Of course, you can upgrade and customize any of their systems. I highly recommend their 21
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Postby splunge on Thu Dec 21, 2000 9:27 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheKodiak:
<B> Well, geez - who wouldn't</B>?<P>Or is that for a monitor or something?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Sorry to say it, but I was just referring to the monitor. (Always glad to be the straight man, though.)<P>But, I've heard, from this guy I know, that you can find that other sort of thing in back of certain "men's" magazines.<P>Or so I've been told...
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Postby broberds on Thu Dec 21, 2000 9:40 am

Wow, looks like I can have a hell of a Dell WITH the 21" monitor for a good price. We have a new front-runner!<P>------------------
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Postby TheKodiak on Fri Dec 22, 2000 2:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheKodiak:
<B>I'll tell you, though - putting a machine together from scratch is nowhere near the herculean task it used to be. I have gone from boxed components to a working system in under three hours, and replaced a motherboard in under an hour, and I'm a complete klutz when it comes to hardware. (For reference, the first time I replaced a motherboard, in an otherwise working system, it took me three days, because hardware was just that much wonkier back then.) Of course, the down side is that if something does</B> go wrong, you're stuck with a thousand dollars worth of poo, and you're crying yourself to sleep with nothing but cirrhosis of the liver to show for your hours of work.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Excuse me while I dominate this forum with my boring blather - I just want to point out that ironically, having said all of the above, I've spent roughly 10 hours of work installing Windows 98 on a laptop. So, you know - all the hardware's prettymuch in the right place, you hope. Mostly, the slowdown was a result of the laptop having no cd-rom drive, and one of the cabs files i was using being corrupted. What strikes me as funniest about this whole experience, though, is that for all the trouble, installing TCP/IP networking took exactly one step - pligging in the PCMCIA card. I had to sit for about a minute while it installed its own drivers, and I made a paranoid run through the network settings, but it wasn't necessary - everything was right. I'm blown away by this. (Snip boring "I remember when..." story.)
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Postby broberds on Fri Dec 22, 2000 9:58 am

Ack! I'm getting a broken link for the "in action" pic.
I'm afraid a projector wouldn't be much use in my tiny microapartment. The picture would end up about the size of the screen on a Gameboy. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
And as for installing TCP/IP in Windows 98; yes, we can badmouth Windows all we want, but it sure is a lot easier to set up protocols there than in the old days. And 10 hours is nothing; I spent close to two days getting Red Hat 6.2 installed on a laptop, and I never did get the sound or token ring card to work. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif">
Anyhoo, looks like Umax still makes a 14" USB flatbed scanner! I am SO all over it!<P>------------------
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Postby TheKodiak on Fri Dec 22, 2000 11:31 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>Ack! I'm getting a broken link for the "in action" pic.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Fixed. Stupid case sensitivity.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>I'm afraid a projector wouldn't be much use in my tiny microapartment. The picture would end up about the size of the screen on a Gameboy. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey, if you can stand up in your apartment, you've got room for a 2'x3' picture on your ceiling! And we <B>all</B> want to be able to use our ceiling as a monitor. Just like in that commercial.<P>Or you could sit directly in front of it, and let it beam its magic directly into your eyes. Nummy!<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>And as for installing TCP/IP in Windows 98; yes, we can badmouth Windows all we want,</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We can? Thanks, mom! Personally, I don't object to Windows so much - for what it is, it's an excellent product. I just object to MS marketing, development, technical support and business practices.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>And 10 hours is nothing; I spent close to two days getting Red Hat 6.2 installed on a laptop, and I never did get the sound or token ring card to work. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/frown.gif"></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Huh. Huh huh. You said, "token ring." (Which reminds me, although it really shouldn't, projecting the old LotR teaser trailer from earlier this year on my wall has got me considering various methods of entering suspended animation, coming out only for the releases of the various movies. Man.)<P>Not sure if this is a point of confusion, but that's 10 hours of work, spread out over a period of 2 days. And I should point out that this is a laptop that W98 is officially supported on.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><B>Anyhoo, looks like Umax still makes a 14" USB flatbed scanner! I am SO all over it!</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Yeah, just make sure it's not as dog-slow as the one I got. It's painful - I think it scans one page per era.
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Postby TheKodiak on Fri Dec 22, 2000 12:46 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B>Wow, looks like I can have a hell of a Dell WITH the 21" monitor for a good price. We have a new front-runner!
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Anyway, why would you want a 21" monitor when you could have this baby:<P> <IMG SRC="http://flail.com/pictures/projector/MVC-018F.JPG"> <P>(Not the dashing fellow, or the slick pengui-form case, but the projector in the background.)<P>Here it is in action, although it's hard to get a sense of how awesome it is to be playing Q3A on your wall:<P> <IMG SRC="http://flail.com/pictures/projector/MVC-017F.JPG"> <P>Sadly, I have to take it down when it's not in use. But you wouldn't! And it's a good sight [edit - typo] larger than 21".<P>Of course, you don't have to replace the bulb in your monitor every 400 hours...<p>[This message has been edited by TheKodiak (edited 12-22-2000).]
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Postby broberds on Tue Dec 26, 2000 10:06 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheKodiak:
<B> Yeah, just make sure it's not as dog-slow as the one I got. It's painful - I think it scans one page per era.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Hey, I can live with slow, so long as it works and it's 14" long. A fast 11" scannerer would require me to do a two-pass scan and piece the halves together, resulting in a much slower process overall.<P>As for case sensitivity, is there anyone else out there who thinks case sensitivity is dumb? I know it's taboo to question anything about Unix, but DAMN, I think any opsys that allows you to have different files named Steve.txt and steve.txt is just asking for trouble.<P>------------------
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Postby splunge on Wed Dec 27, 2000 6:58 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheKodiak:
<B> Anyway, why would you want a 21" monitor when you could have this baby:
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Way-cool setup. I had forgotten about doing that. I once worked with a guy who swiped a projector and a really big conference room to do all his coding. It was really bizarre to see VB and C code in 6" letters.<P>He could get away with it because he was a really important consultant. When asked how much sense it made, he didn't really have a reply, other than to point out that it was cool that he good get away with it, that I could never get away with it, and that it made him look really macho to have a bigger monitor than anyone in the building.<P>Never occurred to me until just now that he probably alt-tabbed back into Quake.
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Postby gopher on Thu Dec 28, 2000 2:49 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by broberds:
<B> As for case sensitivity, is there anyone else out there who thinks case sensitivity is dumb? I know it's taboo to question anything about Unix, but DAMN, I think any opsys that allows you to have different files named Steve.txt and steve.txt is just asking for trouble.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, I like case sensitivity. I think the two Steve's are a lot more elegant than the DOS method where both would be STEVE.TXT I usually abuse what Unix filenames allow me to do. Linebreaks are really what make filenames fun. No unicode characters, yet, though.
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Postby broberds on Thu Dec 28, 2000 3:28 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gopher:
<B> Actually, I like case sensitivity. I think the two Steve's are a lot more elegant than the DOS method where both would be STEVE.TXT I usually abuse what Unix filenames allow me to do. Linebreaks are really what make filenames fun. No unicode characters, yet, though.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Oh, I agree that case sensitivity is cool. It's just that it's both cool and DANGEROUS and not really necessary (kinda like bungee jumping naked while on fire). <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>------------------
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Postby broberds on Thu Dec 28, 2000 3:42 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by splunge:
<B> Way-cool setup. I had forgotten about doing that. I once worked with a guy who swiped a projector and a really big conference room to do all his coding. It was really bizarre to see VB and C code in 6" letters.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'm afraid that my nearsightedness would render a projector impractical even with adequate wallage. But I'd still do it, just for the cool factor.<P><P>------------------
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