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More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Dave.gillam on Thu Dec 31, 2009 5:41 am

Last week, the FBI issued its preliminary 2009 crime report, showing that the number of murders in the first half of 2009 decreased 10 percent compared to the first half of 2008. If the trend holds for the remainder of 2009, it will be the single greatest one-year decrease in the number of murders since at least 1960, the earliest year for which national data are available through the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Also, the per capita murder rate for 2009 will be 51 percent lower than the all-time high recorded in 1991, and it will be the lowest rate since 1963 - a 46-year low. Final figures for 2009 will be released by the FBI next year.

According to gun control supporter dogma - "more guns means more crime" - the number of privately owned firearms must have decreased 10 percent in 2009. To the contrary, however, the number rose between 1.5 and 2 percent, to an all-time high. For the better part of the last 15 months, firearms, ammunition, and "large" ammunition magazines have been sold in what appear to be record quantities. And, the firearms that were most commonly purchased in 2009 are those that gun control supporters most want to be banned - AR-15s, similar semi-automatic rifles, and handguns designed for defense. The National Shooting Sports Foundation already estimates record ammunition sales in 2009, dominated by .223 Remington, 7.62x39mm, 9mm and other calibers widely favored for defensive purposes.


Also indicative of the upward trend in firearm sales, the number of national instant check transactions rose 24.5 percent in the first six months of 2009 compared to the first six months in 2008, the greatest increase since NICS' inception in 1998. Through the end of October, NICS transactions rose18 percent, compared to the same period in 2008.
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Casual Notice on Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:55 am

Enh...rifles are useless for home defense. If people were serious about defending themselves, they'd invest in shotguns. A single-shot will do for most purposes of keeping the wolves at bay, since most dirtbags will run like little girls if they see their dirtbag buddy drowning in a pool of his own blood with a hole the size of a grapefruit in his chest.

On a side note, the Houston large calliber gun show is this weekend. I'm half-inclined to go, just to see how many people who've never held a firearm of any kind buy a Desert Eagle for "self-defense".
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Dave.gillam on Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:22 am

Increase in firearm purchase; decrease in crime.
Coincidence? I think not.


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This new Taurus is chambered for the .410 shotshell, and packs a pretty good payload of shot to reliably dispatch crawling vermin. For the vermin that walk upright on their hind legs, it also chambers and fires the .45 Colt cartridge, making this a very versatile handgun.
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Casual Notice on Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:20 pm

Wouldn't break my heart any to see the effects of 410 bird shot on a kick-burglar.

(For the record, a .410 shotgun shell would be pretty fricken huge.)
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Dave.gillam on Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:53 pm

Casual Notice wrote:Wouldn't break my heart any to see the effects of 410 bird shot on a kick-burglar.

(For the record, a .410 shotgun shell would be pretty fricken huge.)

The nominal bore of a .410 shotgun is.410 inch. Which is why it is properly called the .410 bore instead of the .410 gauge. In Europe it is sometimes called the 12mm, which is an inaccurate designation as a .410 bore has an actual diameter of approximately 10.4mm by metric measure. If the .410 had been named in the traditional fashion, by the number of lead balls .41 inch in diameter needed to make one pound, it would be about a 67-68 gauge. Many years ago it was also called the 36 gauge, and I have seen a picture of an old box of Remington shells marked "(36 GA.) .410-2 1/2 IN. (12 MM)."
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However, for the person of small stature or anyone very sensitive to recoil, the .410 may be a good choice as long as shots will be within about 25 yards and the birds small. It is a good gun for a youth to learn with, and probably about all the gun a pre-teen can handle. Some .410's are available in lightweight Youth Models, with reduced length stocks for smaller shooters.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/410bore.htm
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Casual Notice on Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:59 pm

My bad. I was under the impression that it was a gauge measurement and not a direct bore diameter.
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Dave.gillam on Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:08 pm

Between all the alternative methods for measuring, it does get to be a mess sometimes
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Re: More Guns Means More Crime?

Postby Casual Notice on Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:41 pm

Enh...brain fart on my part. 410 gauge would be pretty fricken small.
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