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Pregnant?!

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:38 pm
by Tarvok
First, the craving. Then, the sickness! It could well be.

Excuse me while I step out of my normal analysis of story "from within" to go into metafiction thinking:

Dear God you're being mean to her, Starline! I thought things had gone as low as they could, and now a college age post break-up pregnancy?!

Although, I must admit it is going to be amusing when Linda finds out.

That is, assuming this isn't a false alarm. Way to toy with your audience's emotions, Starline! And I mean that in the most sincere, good way: you're a master at this! Though I must admit, if things go much lower than they have for her, we're going to be moving from pathos to bathos.

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:10 am
by revulo
For the love of ferrets, PLEASE don't let this be foreshadowing. PLEASE.
ALL HELL would break loose. :o

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:31 pm
by Marcos
This has promise...

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:23 pm
by aorta321
oh man really if she is poor CANDI!! she can't catch a break can she?
please don't do it Starline :(

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:04 pm
by Mariquette
Dear God. Don't do it! Don't let Candi be pregnant! Her life is screwed up already! If anything, leave her be and let Alex and Linda think she's pregnant allowing them to realize they are some of the worst black hearted souls. If Candi really is pregnant, I think I'll start crying. Her life sucks as it is! The only thing she's got going for her is the mean teacher thinking she's finally gotten into the true mood of an artist. DON'T DO IT? I beg of you!

And--at some point and time, there must be divine retribution to Alex and Linda.

This comic strip finally caused me to click my lazy fingers and register just so I can express my hatred of the thought of Candi being pregnant.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:14 am
by s1
When Candi had sex with Alex they're supposed to use protection. Right?. So, strictly speaking, she isn't supposed to be afraid of pregnancy.

Or they didn't!? :o

Of course, even if they did, just thinking about that must be enough to send her to the toilet again.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:09 pm
by Marcos
Birth-control techniques can fail.

404

PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:37 pm
by Tuitsuro
Eh, maybe she's not pregnant. Maybe she's just got Meningitis. Same symptomology. Or Mono. Or the flu. Or any number of a hundred ailments you can get from living in a college community. I guess pregnancy ranks there, too, though.

Luckily, a quick stop at the local drugstore can identify just that sort of 'what if' scenario in about 5 minutes...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:02 am
by Tanukitsune
I highly doubt she's pregnant, this is a "life" strip, or a "drama light" strip which has a healthy dose of humor and drama, but a pregnant Candi would turn this comic into something overly dramatic...

Not to mention Candi is semi autobiographical, Candi might not have the same life as Star, but getting her pregnant? That's taking it too far!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:18 am
by Tarvok
I wonder what Alex would do...

PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:50 pm
by Sage Blackthorn
Tarvok wrote:I wonder what Alex would do...


I do hope no one is thinking that this might give Candi the idea of telling Alex she's pregnant with his baby just to get him back? Because that is one of the lowest, most despicable and manipulative things a woman can do to a man.

I knew one girl who told that to three seperate guys (myself included) to try and get them to marry her so they'd take care of her and her 6 kids who were on welfare. At one point she confessed to me, "I have no problems lieing to get what I need for myself or my children." It was at that point that I said, "Goodbye, I'm outta here. I can't deal with someone who may or may not be lieing every second of the day to get what they want."

That single instant messed me up for YEARS afterwards. I was so depressed I wouldn't leave my room for 3 months except at night when no one was awake. I wouldn't leave the house for a total of 6 months. I wouldn't talk to my friends or leave my street for a total of 9 months, and I COULDN'T so much as talk to a girl who wasn't family for almost a year without having a panic attack. After I got over that and started dating again, I found I didn't want a close relationship with anyone, because I found I couldn't trust them. My next 2 or 3 girlfriends were just about sex, which was unfair to them. When they eventually broke up with me, I didn't care, didn't FEEL anything. It was about like loosing a .25 cent toy from one of those gumball machines in the grocery store, "Eh, I can always get another."

It wasn't until years later when I met Misty, my current girlfriend, that things turned around. She weedled out of me what had happened, and helped me learn to trust again, and to learn how not to let people take advantage of me. We talk to each other honestly, we don't hide things from one another. But that has taken years of building up trust between us enough that we feel we can be ourselves with each other. We've had our ups and downs, taken chances telling each other things we thought would freak the other person out only to find out it's not a big deal to them. After awhile you get the point where you realize "Hey, this person really does love me for who I am no matter what. They accept me unconditionally, I can be myself without fear. I'm never going to leave this person ever."

A relationship MUST have a solid foundation of trust and honesty, even if it's only between the couple, or it is doomed to fail. If you find you can't believe anything your partner says anymore, then it's time to break up and find someone you can trust.

Sage

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:46 am
by Tanukitsune
I just hope she's not really pregnant, because that would mean the comic is now a full blown drama and the laughter will be gone for good... :(

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:01 am
by Sage Blackthorn
Tanukitsune wrote:I just hope she's not really pregnant, because that would mean the comic is now a full blown drama and the laughter will be gone for good... :(


I dunno Tanuki', all my friends kids are hilarious whenever they're visiting. Great thing about having friends with kids is that I get to give them back to their parents when I get tired of them or they get fussy and cranky. Kinda like my nephew, come to think of it. "Ok, I'm tired of you, go back to yer mom now." :lol:

Sage

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:03 am
by Tarvok
I'm not thinking that she should go to Alex and say "I'm pregnant, now you have to come back." I'd say I don't think she would... but I honestly wouldn't put it past her. Mind you, I'm not giving that a 100%, or even 80% possibility, but I think the chances of seeing her do that are in the nonzero realm.

But I wonder if she would even need to say anything. Alex is, after all, the "responsible one." I'm not saying whether I think this is right or wrong, but he might get the idea that he has special responsibilities to her (or at least the kid) on his own.

And Linda will be struck dead by her own guilt. And the peasants rejoice. :p

404'd

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:26 pm
by Tuitsuro
Well if she WAS pregnant, then she should tell Alex anyway, right? Though, I don't think she'd go to Alex and tell him she's pregnant, if she really wasn't. For all her faults, Candi just doesn't seem the evil type like that. Though, I assume, Alex would want a paternity test done for that very reason, because HE may not trust Candi enough not to do that. And that's not really a bad thing for him to do either, he'd just be being cautious. Likely OVERLY cautious from our perspective, but not really from his, I think...

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:51 pm
by Sage Blackthorn
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Starline,

Thank you for that last panel, and for putting that evil thought out of Candi's mind. Thank you for showing that it's not ok to toy with someone's emotions like that woman did to me so long ago. To this day I don't even know for certain if she ever was really pregnant or not. She actually said to me, "I'll have the baby so I can get another welfare check." And it wasn't until I told her about the new laws that she even considered not having the baby..... if there ever was a baby. After she found out that the welfare laws had been changed so that she couldn't get more money for having another child, she told me she schedualed a trip to an abortion clinic. When she came in, she glared at me and said "I hope you're happy, I've murdered for you!" I think that was when I realized that this was not a good person.

I'm glad Candi is a good person. And you're quickly working your way towards my list of personal heros in this life,

Sage

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:07 am
by Tanukitsune
I love her expression in the third panel! X3

I'm still on the "She's not pregnant" boat though...

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:46 am
by blight182
well if she is pregnant

she will eather choose to have an abortion (if she chooses that option im sure hate mail will follow)

Or she will chose to have the child
mabie grand parents can take care of it while she gets though college or adoption. and then there is whats alex going to do, cause its his child to.

Personly i think shes sick and desperate and hopefully have a pregnacy test befor doing anything stupid.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:15 pm
by Tarvok
I know what Candi should do. She should try to make a living writing a webcomic about a girl that is taking art classes at a university!

RECURSIVE COMIC ROFLOLORZOMGTWFBBQ!!! :lol:

flrrd...

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:50 pm
by Sage Blackthorn
blight182 wrote:well if she is pregnant

she will eather choose to have an abortion (if she chooses that option im sure hate mail will follow)


Oh I don't think so. Hate mail would be unwarrented and would only be sent from small, hypocritical minds with narrow views of life. (Yes, that's an intentional jab at the Right To Lifers who go around killing abortion doctors, harrassing women at Planned Parenthood, and generally feel that they have any right what so ever to force people to do what they want them to. To quote George Carlin "They aren't Pro-Life, they're Anti-Woman, plain and simple. They think a woman's function is merely to be a broad mare for the state. Pro-life? Gimme a break. These are the same people who are bombing abortion clinics. Pro-life? They'll do anything to save a fetus, but if it grows up to be an abortion doctor they just might have to kill it? And no, I really don't like Pro-Lifers. I see them as attempting to take away one of a persons most basic freedoms, the right to do with their own body as they choose.)

Or she will chose to have the child
mabie grand parents can take care of it while she gets though college or adoption. and then there is whats alex going to do, cause its his child to.


Should this happen, what Alex does should be left upto Alex to decide, without coersion of any type. He would have to make a decision based on his own feelings and his own code of ethics. It would, however give the readers a greater understanding of just who Alex is deep down inside.

Sage

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:33 pm
by Tuitsuro
I think it'd be intriguing to tackle the abortion issue, but first I think it'd be too heavy for this comic, and second, again, that just doesn't seem like something in Candi's nature.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:35 pm
by blight182
Sage Blackthorn wrote:
blight182 wrote:well if she is pregnant

she will eather choose to have an abortion (if she chooses that option im sure hate mail will follow)


Oh I don't think so. Hate mail would be unwarrented and would only be sent from small, hypocritical minds with narrow views of life. (Yes, that's an intentional jab at the Right To Lifers who go around killing abortion doctors, harrassing women at Planned Parenthood, and generally feel that they have any right what so ever to force people to do what they want them to. To quote George Carlin "They aren't Pro-Life, they're Anti-Woman, plain and simple. They think a woman's function is merely to be a broad mare for the state. Pro-life? Gimme a break. These are the same people who are bombing abortion clinics. Pro-life? They'll do anything to save a fetus, but if it grows up to be an abortion doctor they just might have to kill it? And no, I really don't like Pro-Lifers. I see them as attempting to take away one of a persons most basic freedoms, the right to do with their own body as they choose.)

Or she will chose to have the child
mabie grand parents can take care of it while she gets though college or adoption. and then there is whats alex going to do, cause its his child to.


Should this happen, what Alex does should be left upto Alex to decide, without coersion of any type. He would have to make a decision based on his own feelings and his own code of ethics. It would, however give the readers a greater understanding of just who Alex is deep down inside.

Sage



is hate mail ever warrented?

but people will


as for what alex chooses well he has the choice to be a dead beat dad or not.

paternity tests are cheap.

he already made the choice to be a father when he had sex so its not like he didnt have a choice in that eather

PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:01 pm
by till
Sage makes me uncomfortable

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:31 am
by Sage Blackthorn
till wrote:Sage makes me uncomfortable


That's my job in this world :D Question the recieved wisdom and make people uncomfortable. I'm a professional Heretic by birth. I think it must be genetic on my mom's side of the family.

As for really not liking Pro-Lifers that much, that's just born of life experience. Having friends terrorized and harrassed, even shot at while going into Planned Parenthood clinics for so much as a GYN check-up. Other friends injured while escorting same said ladies into same said clinics. One of my friends use to be an EMT and would volunteer for escort duty on her off days. She was shot during one such escort run by someone claiming to be Pro-Life while waving a gun around and shooting at people. I really don't care what views a person holds, so long as they aren't trying to force them on other people with a gun. Might explain why I don't like Police and Government that much either come to think of it. But that's a discussion for another thread.

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blight182 wrote:
is hate mail ever warrented?

but people will


True, but that should never stop an artist from expressing themselves.


as for what alex chooses well he has the choice to be a dead beat dad or not.

paternity tests are cheap.

he already made the choice to be a father when he had sex so its not like he didnt have a choice in that eather


No, he did not decide to become a father by choosing to have sex with someone he loved. He was choosing to express that love and engage in a pleasurable act. That's why they used "protection". Abstinence, while the only sure-fire method of avoiding pregnancy, has already been proven to be highly ineffective to maintain. Did you know that the majority of young adults who sign Abstinence Pledges, i.e. promising not to have sex until married, break those vows within one year of taking them, if not sooner? In short, crude denial of basic biological drives is never effective in the long term. Unfortunetly the Abstinence movement is founded solely on religious belief and not on scientific observation of the human animal.

Contrary to popular belif, sex is not primarily about procreation, it's about pleasure. Nature has slaved procreation onto the back of pleasure for a very good reason. You have to have some compensation that makes procreation desirable, especially in the cases where the female kills the male (Praying Mantis, Black Widow spiders, and some humans). When two individuals choose to have sex the majority of the time they are doing so for a pleasurable experience, responding to a mating instinct they aren't consciously aware of, responding to pheremones, endorphins, and cascades of neuro-chemicals in the brain........ not necessarily to create offspring, that (depending on the situation) may just be a happy or disasterous side effect. To quote Robert Heinlein from Stranger In A Strange Land: "It is a sharing, a growing closer."

Granted if people's first thought upon considering having sex with someone was "This is likely to result in a child." I think very few people would do it, and that is precisely why it's not their first thought. If it was, our species would most likely die off in a few generations. Nature had to figure out some way to keep the species going. People's first thought (I hope) is "I want to grow closer and share myself with the one I love", their second thought (I hope) is "This is going to feel good!" Thoughts of having children rarely come first, especially in the mind of college age individuals. Sadly, thoughts of love and growing closer rarely come first for that particular age group either.

And lets not forget one important fact here: It takes TWO people (or more in some cases) to have sex. Otherwise it's not sex, it's masturbation. IF Candi is pregnant, she has an equal amount of responsebility unless someone decides to claim that Alex raped her. In which case no one would be having this particular conversation (I hope). We'd all be discussing the most efficient ways to castrate him with a broken beer bottle in the parking lot of his local 7-11 before he's sent to prison to become the new girlfriend of "Bubba" the 300 lb., one-eyed psycho-killer.

Sage

PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:59 pm
by blight182
consequences to action. its one of those areas i think we can only agree to disagree. useing a condom means you dont want a child. Still you have a choice knowing full well what will happen if something goes wrong.

people play russian rulet to. there are quite a few people who do things they are not prepared for because they think it wont happen to me.

Risk reward sometimes its worth the risk.