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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 2:49 am
by mzacher
Short, Minimal-babble Version:<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.anime.com.au/KES/c5.jpg"> <P>...something I've been playing with for a little while now...
(<I>I've got to start thinking of names for these things...</I> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> )

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:02 am
by mzacher
Just thought I'd post some notes about this while I'm waiting to start work. Nothing profound here. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/biggrin.gif">
(<I> It's way too early in the morning for me to think straight, so apologies if sense this makes no. </I> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> )<P>1)Leaves:
No trick to this, I just dragged out a magazine photo I had and tried to copy the style of the pattern with Photoshop. Took me about 6 attempts, too. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
I applied a texture to it with Photoshop afterwards to give it some apparent detail.
2)Narrow Hair:
Ceilidh's got a Braid tying her hair back there, right? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif">
3)Path Perspective:
...Opps. I'll pay that one. I apparently wasn't paying attention. My Bad.
(I may attempt to fix this later tonight.)
4)Smiling:
....yes, she's smiling. It *is* physically possible, y'know. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>The original version of this was/is grayscale, because I wanted to try a 'manga' style shading piece. Then I got sidetracked. Again. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Oh, and I have this image in a much larger size/resolution version, if people want it.
(I've had a few requests for larger images in the past. Not sure why. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"> )

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:09 am
by Fink The Insane
Thas very nice, man. Very nice indeed.<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:40 am
by Guest
Kickass. Just... The sidewalk is wider at the back than at the front, thanks to depth perception. 2 lines, when parallel, in a pseudo-3d picture, appear to be wider at the back, and it seems that the vanishing point is beyond the foreground. The vanishing point should be beyond the background, or in the background at a happy point for a horizon.
Don't worry. Grade 10 art students deal with that one all the time, and still do on occaision afterwards. I know, I took grade 10 art (and failed, heh).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 3:51 am
by nzero
ooo! i like! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>(i've got oodles to say about this one, but i'm only on a short forum break. i'll post again later.)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:12 am
by Cannonshop
The above might not necessarily be true, had you placed a slight curvature to the edge of the sidewalk. (this would indicate that the viewer is seeing her standing on a sloped grading, on old sidewalk.)Graded ground always f's up perspective. (this would also allow for the Foreground vanishing point.) Not all pictures are set on level ground.
Ceilidh smiling? we can only hope- she worries entirely too much.<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:26 am
by Stig Hemmer
But but... she is smiling!<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:28 am
by Sterling
I love it - I think I like it better than all your art, other than the Deirdre-sitting-there-smiling piece and the Phoebe-reading-a-book-under-a-tree piece. The smile, the stance, and the wind blowing at the hair and dress are all very appealing. Even the slight perspective problem with the sidewalk isn't noticable unless you really look.<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:31 am
by Chief_Petty_Officer_Klerk
*Clunk* Mouth hitting the floor.<P>WoW<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 4:42 am
by Quattro
First off, great pic. I was wondering though, what program/how did you get that tree shadow so detailed? Just curious.<P>Quattro<P><P>------------------
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 5:06 am
by dacut
Two minor criticisms: (remember, those who can't do, critique :-)<P>- The perspective on the sidewalk seems a bit off. From the viewer's angle, I think the edges need to be parallel.<P>- Ceilidh's hair seems a bit too narrow behind her ears.<P>But definitely three thumbs up. I recommend not visiting my lab for awhile (where I'm writing this), at least until I can get the drool cleaned up... ;-)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2001 7:05 am
by Nick Pavlovski
Beautiful, mzacher. Just beautiful. Very sensitive.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:37 am
by nzero
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nzero:
<B>ooo! i like! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>(i've got oodles to say about this one, but i'm only on a short forum break. i'll post again later.)</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>ok i'm back.<P>time for the c&c... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>
<strong>**** SNIP ****</strong><P>
urg... i take it back.<P>i really do like this piece of fanart a lot overall. i realize now after reviewing my words, however, that my criticisms, although meant in a friendly (as in, not a flame) and (i hoped) contructive way, came off as rather rude and condescending.<P>my sincerest apology to mzacher...<P>i'll watch my mouth in the future. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/redface.gif"><p>[This message has been edited by nzero (edited 07-21-2001).]

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2001 3:51 am
by nzero
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mzacher:
<B>[snip]<P>Ceilidh's got a Braid tying her hair back there, right? <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P>[snip]<P>The original version of this was/is grayscale, because I wanted to try a 'manga' style shading piece. Then I got sidetracked. Again. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>[snip]
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>no, she just has an elastic of some sort tying a small portion of her hair at the back. not all of it is tied back. on some occasions, i think she's worn the sides of her hair as braids and brought them together at the back, which she then ties to together with an elastic, as usual.<P>#--<P>it looks nice greyscaled, as well. ^^
if you were trying for a manga feel, then you should use halftones instead of solid shading.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2001 9:57 am
by Strangeone
That art would make a great wallpaper.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2001 10:18 am
by gwalla
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nzero:
<B>the curb of the sidewalk should only be visible on one side (in this case the one to her left), since the grass would cover the one to her right. by exposing both curbs, the closer side of the field seems depressed from the path, while the farther side seems elevated slightly above the path, creating a terrace effect.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Okay, I think you're being a little too nitpicky on this part. To me it just looks like there's a groove between the walkway and the grass on either side. That's not unheard of.<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2001 11:16 am
by Josh Phillips
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mzacher:
<B>Oh, and I have this image in a much larger size/resolution version, if people want it.
(I've had a few requests for larger images in the past. Not sure why. :) )</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I want it. :-)<P>My own reason is that I'm printing out some pieces of fan art for framing and mounting on my apartment walls. Printing 72 dpi images at 8.5" x 6" is just asking for trouble.<P>JOSH.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 12:56 am
by Magusman
Very nice picture. Just spectacular. Do you have a website or some other place where I can see some of your other recent fan art or drawings?
Once again. Great work. Keep it up.<P>------------------
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:33 am
by nzero
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gwalla:
<B> Okay, I think you're being a little too nitpicky on this part. To me it just looks like there's a groove between the walkway and the grass on either side. That's not unheard of.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>sorry, bad wording... s/should only be/is, in my exp, usually only/ ^^;<P>also, i thought that little trick might help level the field off. (the whole thing's kinda tilted (even after factoring in the camera angle)

PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2001 7:34 am
by nzero
mzacher, what did you mean my "Short, Minimal-babble Version?"

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2001 12:42 am
by nzero
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2001 3:36 am
by Trialpha
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dent:
<B>Time for me to try winning a Marvel No-Prize (tm) from mzacher: The perspective is a bit off, but only if you assume that the viewer is about 5m away and above, sitting in a tree or something. However, if it's actually an orbital satellite on full magnification, the perspective is removed.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>More disturbingly, is how does Ceilidh know she's being targeted by a satellite camera? She IS staring directly at it and smiling after all.<P>--
Trialpha<p>[This message has been edited by Trialpha (edited 07-20-2001).]

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2001 3:52 am
by Strangeone
I think that the three quarter view is perfect. Brings me back to the days of constant frustration laid upon me by the NES game Solstice. However, this is far less frustrating. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2001 4:49 am
by Darth Paradox
Uh, Dent?<P>You put Ceilidh's location on Earth in southern Russia, a couple hundred miles from the Chinese border.<P>...<P>Hence the satellite surveillance, I suppose.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2001 10:22 am
by Sterling
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nzero:
<B> no, she just has an elastic of some sort tying a small portion of her hair at the back. not all of it is tied back. on some occasions, i think she's worn the sides of her hair as braids and brought them together at the back, which she then ties to together with an elastic, as usual.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Looking at that picture, my immediate impression was that she had a hairclip of some kind, at just about the level of her forehead (but in the back, of course). I think it looks a bit odd because that seems a bit high for a hairclip, although I'm definitely not an authority on that. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"><P><P>------------------
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