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Postby AngelKnight2780 on Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sterling:
<B>AngelKnight: Excuse me if I'm wrong (for I am not a lawyer), but I do seem to recall that the American First Amendment only says that your Federal government (and, by extension through other amendments and stuff, local state governments) cannot pass laws or take action to restrict freedom of speech. Since I somehow doubt the chanop on #avalon is a member of the US government, I don't think the first amendment applies to him/her/it. (It if its a bot. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/wink.gif"> )</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that, as the First Amendment DOES extend into the public sector. For instance, California has a law that forces colleges in the state to have to obey the First Amendment, regardless of who owns them. And companies can be sued for wrongful dismissal if they fire someone for making pejoritive comments about their employer. And privately held buildings can be deemed public ground if they're held in a public trust - a good example of this are churches.<P>
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sterling:
<B>I agree that hate speech shouldn't be censored - I don't even agree with government regulations censoring Nazis and the like, as I believe that just lends more credibility to their screwed-up philosophies.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's quite true, my friend. People do tend to wonder why you're trying to shut these people up.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sterling:
<B>Jen (Edit) and Darth Paradox have (/Edit) a point, though. Chanops (and other administrators of online public discussion areas) are generally considered to have a right to set limits on the behavior they'll allow on their channels/forums/MU*s/whatever. In this case, the #avalon admin decided that death threats, especially those levelled towards an arbitrarily designated group of people, would not be tolerated in his/her/its channel.<P>While Ferritt does have a right to expound his/her/its political and social philosophies, I do not believe the chanop of #avalon is required to provide Ferritt with a place to do so.<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Again, it's all a matter of whether or not #avalon is public or private. Considering Nightstar's TOS, I'll have to say that #avalon is private. While this means that the chanops can limit the speech said in the channel, it also means that we can't contest any decisions by Nightstar that we disagree with. (For a REALLY good example of the price of private ownership, read about what's happening with the Boy Scouts. They thought that all would be well once the SCOTUS said that they were privately owned, but they weren't expecting the loss of public support that's happened.)
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Postby Symok on Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AngelKnight2780:
<B>While such speech is offensive to all people, the simple thing is that it IS protected by the First Amendment in the U.S.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I don't think we should go down this path, saying that it should be allowed on the internet because it is allowed in the US constitution, it could lead to some more problems...<P>The rules of the channel were set by the founder, John was given ops and he is therefore required to enforce those rules.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Sterling on Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:14 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AngelKnight2780:
<B> Again, it's all a matter of whether or not #avalon is public or private. Considering Nightstar's TOS, I'll have to say that #avalon is private. While this means that the chanops can limit the speech said in the channel, it also means that we can't contest any decisions by Nightstar that we disagree with.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Most MU*s and IRC networks are private, and they seem to work fine, for the most part. We don't have any direct means to contest Nightstar's decisions, but then again, we wouldn't anyway. Given that its the server admins paying for both the server <I>and</I> the bandwidth...<P>Of course, that doesn't mean they can't add something to the TOS to permit user feedback. But ultimately, we come back to the fact that it is <I>their</I> server, which they are kindly letting us use without charge.
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Postby Jen Aside on Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:23 am

There was a discussion in <a href=http://www.yerf.com/ target=new>Yerf</a>'s newsgroup about "Are [pictures of] hermaphrodites allowed?" (This site hosts artwork of a G to PG nature.) The response?<P><font size=+45><b>"NO."</b></font><P>Then someone who just wanted to be contrary said, "That denies the existence of herms, and you're prejudicing against them!" even though, artwise, there would be all of maybe TWO pictures removed with that specific rule.<P>For the most part, there was only a small discussion about whether hermaphrodites DO exist, because one person summed it up well: "If you're to the point where it's obvious that a character is a herm, then you're already breaking the guidelines." What the hell was this person so worked up about that he wanted "G" or "PG" herms on Yerf? It seems like, if he were a Yerf artist, he's trying to let loopholes in the rules determine what he did, vs. just doing what he felt like and not worrying whether he could post wherever he wanted.<P>People are stupid. <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/msroom/aya.gif">
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Postby Darth Paradox on Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:25 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AngelKnight2780:
<B> Again, it's all a matter of whether or not #avalon is public or private. Considering Nightstar's TOS, I'll have to say that #avalon is private. While this means that the chanops can limit the speech said in the channel, it also means that we can't contest any decisions by Nightstar that we disagree with.</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>We can't contest them per se. But we can leave. Nightstar knows that there are many other servers to which we can move, so they're pretty much obligated to at least listen to us some of the time if they want to keep the server used.<P>I understand what you're saying, but again, this isn't a case of censorship in the sense in which you're using the word. This isn't restriction of one person's speech on an open forum such as the Internet as a whole, this is a case of denying a person the ability to make inflammatory, hateful comments in a privately-owned place. It may sound like censorship rhetoric, but there IS a difference. I am against censorship, as a concept as a whole. But I am also against people trying to use the First Amendment to force people to listen to their opinions when they shouldn't.
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Postby not damonk on Sun Apr 15, 2001 8:33 am

this may be a tiny point, and sterling has already touched upon it, but...<P>while these forums may be called PUBLIC forums, they are still, in a sense, "specialty" groups. you likely won't find, for example, that the same kind of people will frequent #traincollectors as those who frequent #avalon. Different interests for different folks...<P>This Ferrett person has the right to say whatever he/she wishes, but if his rights begin to impinge on others' rights, then a problem/conflict occurs, and moderators, chosen by specialty groups to try to serve the specific community's needs and rights, must step in and make a judgement call.<P>In this particular case, if death threats are being made against someone of a different sexuality, then the rights of said people are being threatened -- the right to live, the right of respect, etc.<P>From what I have seen here, and from the log excerpt above, it sounds like the matter was handled quite fairly and properly. Ferrett was issued a warning that this specialty group did not approve of his tone and message, that it was not appropriate.<P>Yet he ignored these warnings, and continued with his death threats. As a result, the moderators of this specialty group deided to remove him from the site.<P>In my opinion, Ferrett has not been deprived of his right to free speech; he can go on expressing his beliefs and opinions anywhere else he pleases. But by showing a lack of respect, and carrying on with his unenlightened threats in #avalon, i am impressed that he was treated so fairly.<P>Might I also point out that IRC Nightstar explicitly states in its rules and regulations the following two lines:<P>"NO harrassing of users or IRC operators"<P>"As a user you have NO rights on this server."<P>These two lines, stated before ANYONE enters a chatroom, explicitly point out that rights are suspended here; this is done, among other reasons, so no one can use the "free speech" fallback excuse while in anyone else's forum.<P>Also, the 'NO harrassing' part seems pretty clear, and Ferrett's death threats can NOT be taken as anything else but harrassment. <P>IRC NIGHTSTAR points out that if a user chooses not to agree with these basic rules, he/she can move to another IRC client. The rules are clear-cut, respectful, and simple.<P>Of course, there is nothing stopping Ferrett from creating his own forum, call it #stringemup, and rant away at his own pleasure. I hope he won't mind if <I>I</I> don't ever go there, though.<P>...<P>Oh, and one more thing:<P>After having read Ferrett's two posts here, I have come to the personal conclusion that the moderators did well in expelling him from #avalon. <P>His vehement, uncontrolled slurs and namecalling, his show of immature posturing, and his illogical attempts at sense... his mangled attempt at sophistry, etc... <P>Moreover, His trying to vindicate himself by using a select dogmatic text does not in any way help his argument. The Bible is <I>not</I> a universally accepted text, but a text sacred to a particular religious set. Quoting from the Bible does <I>not</I> make something correct, or indisputable.<P>Besides, selectively using the Bible to further one's argument, while ignoring the rest of the text makes for a fallacious argument, bar none.<P>The Bible condemns a lot of things that are ignored nowadays. Why take <I>one</I> particular passage and shun the rest? If you are willing to use the Bible as your vindicator, you better be sure you read the whole thing through and through beforehand. You may find <I>yourself</I> worthy of condemnation by the very tool you use to condemn others, otherwise.<P>Golden testicles, anyone?<P>------------------
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Postby Sir Forsyth on Sun Apr 15, 2001 11:47 am

If the admin(s) don't like it then they can kick/ban at will and let's leave it at that.
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Postby Strangeone on Sun Apr 15, 2001 11:54 am

If you disobey the rules in any instance, you should expect punishment. If you are explicitly told that threats will get you thrown out of a chatroom, you better believe it.
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Postby Kaoru on Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:34 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ferret:
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and as a side note yes i was messing around and a large amount of freinds of mine are homosexual, namely my step daughter..</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well I was going to write something about how <b>hate crimes</b> and <b>murder</b> aren't funny, but then I came up with this AYB rendition of the situation and realized that it was a joke about <b>hate crimes</b> and <b>murder</b>. Thus, juxaposing it with the my rant would be hypocritical (and I've already reached my quota for the month.)
*sigh* Oh well. I think this expresses my opinion on the matter (as if you cared.)<P>(I know I deserve to burn for this.)<P><b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>What happen?
<b>IRC User:</b>Somebody set up us the flame.
<b>IRC User2:</b>We get message.
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>What!
<b>IRC User:</b>#Avalon channel join.
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>It's you!
<b>Ferret:</b>How are you IRCers!!
<b>Ferret:</b>All your homosexuals are belong to us!
<b>Ferret:</b>They are on the way to being stringed up.
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>What you say!
<b>Ferret:</b>They have no chance to survive, say your goodbye.
<b>Ferret:</b>Ha ha ha ha...
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>Take every off kicker!
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>You know what you doing!
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>Move kicker!
<b>John Campbell[Op]:</b>For great justice.
<b>***Ferret has been kicked from channel #Avalon</b><P>-Kaoru
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Postby The Paco on Mon Apr 16, 2001 2:54 am

IRC as it is:<P>IRC is a medium controlled in a way typical of a monarchy. The ops control the channel. All the channel. Everything that happens in any channel happens because the ops allow it. They are under no obligation to allow anyone at all. Most channels exist because there are enough good ops to counter whatever bad one comes along, and maintain chan stability. The normal chatter does not enter into this power play except as a voice with no power, only that which the ops allow themselves to be influenced by can have any sway whatsoever with anything other than the conversation.<P>Free speech does not enter into it, you are allowed what the ops want to allow.<P>Resisting an op or openly calling them 'unconstitutional' will achieve nothing, their decisions are final in an unforgiving medium of bans and kicks. Only their grace and your lack of threat to their 'empire' allows you in before the alloted time the server allows before automatically unbanning you. <P>Your l33t s|<i| |z are easily defeated by ops, and you can be banned as many times as you care to circumvent a bad ban until they put it on right.<P>You don't know the POWER of the op side, no one dares oppose them, yet they have their own masters to fear, a power laden oldster shrowded in mystery and unquestionable control of will and server, the IRCop. The IRCops are highly skilled, trained and picked from the best and brightest of the oldest, most loyal ops. Honor, integrity, patience, and total unforgiving steel of their rule keep the lucky script-kiddies from taking over channels from incompetent ops, their knowledge of the IPs and structures of their networks keeps the network as one. Truly, a titan in the land of giants, the IRCop.<P>Users who seek to annoy ops or IRCops only remain on the server through the forgiveness and compassion of the masters. Their very whim dictates your existance on the fragile medium which you so quickly air your hottest opinions.<P>Do not question them, for you risk the steel of their wrath.<P>The Coveting Paco<P>------------------
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Postby The Paco on Mon Apr 16, 2001 3:14 am

Oh ya, by the way.<P>About the gay thing.<P>To both parties:
Let them do their thing, you do your thing. Don't worry about them, don't try to force your will on them. If they want advice on the way to live from you or anyone, they would ask.<P>Religion is so hypocritical that it cannot be used as anything more than a suggestion, conformity to the book is nearly impossible, and even those who seem to achieve it sometimes go to hell because of well hidden, yet vile sins.<P>Anyone who goes out of their way to try and hurt another human being for no reason other than their petty need to feel better than another sentient life form is going to hell. Enjoy anyone elses suffering and death, no matter how 'justified' by your sacred book and you risk bearing the same pain while being laughed at by the embodiment of human crulty in a large hot place (or cold, depending on how bad you are).<P>There, that's good reason for you peeps who believe in those places.<P>And those who don't. The age of enlightenment draws closer, enjoy in your small-minded torment for now, for I shall take delight in watching your kind give way to the melting pot of all types as we advance our species beyond the need for such idiocy. Race killers or torturers should suffer the ultimate injustices of slow death involving car batteries and their genitallia. Bigots, racists, and anyone promoting 'race purity' by keeping themselves and their 'skin kin' out of the collective gene pool should be sterilized and made as examples of Where Nature Made a Small Mistake. Your foolish closemindedness makes you an oddity in these times of cultural advancement, a subcreature, a genetically deficient object of pity, and your desire to blame the problems of your life on anyone but you is so amazingly transparent that I am suprised that birds don't smack into your head thinking it's empty air, though it might as well be.<P>The You Will Be Assimilated Paco<P>Please Note, if you are not any of these, then do not take offense unless you really want to.
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Postby Jen Aside on Mon Apr 16, 2001 3:22 am

Damn it, I *WANT* to take offense...! <IMG SRC="http://www.mpz.co.uk/cwm/kao/cactus/panchi.gif"> <P>...wait, you said I could? Oh, goody! <IMG SRC="http://www.ihs4ever.com/~cwm/kao/cactus/wai.gif"> <P> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panh.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panm.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panh.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panm.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panh.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panm.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panh.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panm.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panh.gif"> <IMG SRC="http://cwm.ragesofsanity.com/kao/cactus/panm.gif">
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Postby Ferrett on Mon Apr 16, 2001 4:14 am

oh well now this is just getting plain old funny... <P>Waaa haaa haaaa<P>all are irc belong to us<P>can i get a replay on that one?
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Postby PercentMan on Mon Apr 16, 2001 5:44 am

A thought on free speech, from someone who was definitely worried about government control of public discourse:<P>"The first thing we demand of a wall is that it shall stand up. If it stands up, it is a good wall, and the question of what purpose it serves is separable from that. And yet even the best wall in the world deserves to be pulled down if it surrounds a concentration camp. In the same way it should be possible to say, 'This is a good book or a good picture, and it ought to be burned by the public hangman.' Unless one can say that, at least in imagination, one is shirking the implications of the fact that an artist is also a citizen and a human being." --George Orwell<P>My personal opinion is that violent people should be strung up, and free speech advocates should be forced to keep their opinions to themselves.
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Postby Quasispace on Mon Apr 16, 2001 11:50 am

Quick Comment. Since I wasn't there I have no real right to judge what happened. But I am allowed to state things:<P>a. If the Op tells you to stop, it's a REALLY good idea to do so.(especially if they invoke their OP status in their statements)
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Postby BanditAngel on Sun Apr 22, 2001 9:50 am

I wasn't going to get involved here until The Paco's anti-bigot & anti-religion posts. If anyone can find the subtle contradiction in that one... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>In my horribly warped and evil opinion saying that bigots should all be killed, locked up, or denied their rights is just as bad as saying all gays should be killed, locked up, or denied their rights. Calling bigots names is just as bad as calling gays names. Why? The obvious answer is that gays are only "evil" to one particular group, just like bigots are only "evil" to one particular group. You'll never have true tolerance if you refuse to tolerate anyone, even a single person.<P>As for that whole religion is evil thing... take a look at the US legal system. They are pretty much equally insane. Have you seen and heard whats happening in the courts these days? 12 year old suspended for bringing PAPER guns to school, students kicked out for even JOKING about a gun - KICKED OUT of school. And our legal system has some incredible loop holes. Here's one for you: I have been told, by actual cops, "If you ever do this again we will MAKE UP charges to arrest you on" (my emphasis). Is that any worse than some of those sin-loopholes? Is life in prison for a single act really much worse than eternity in hell for an entire LIFETIME of sin?<P>I'm not Christian, by their standards I'm going to hell - But by the lawbooks I'm sure I'm an evil criminal mastermind and I'm going to jail. I'm not worried on either count.<P>
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Postby Quasispace on Mon Apr 23, 2001 12:32 am

Ah... The Flame Broiled thread. Made my way Every dang day.<P>Begin two rubles and 26 pesos and 1 pence and 5 yuan. (oh what the heck toss in a salad)<P>Quote: blah blah blah blah...<P>That's basically how my brain processes Flames these days. I've heard a lot of them on both sides of the board.<P>My reply: As long as you don't impinge on the life of another, I won't care what you do. You can hold your KKK/Gay Pride parade inside your living rooms for all I care. (sorry if anyone is insulted by my choice of these two groups to single out. But they are both recognizable for their desires/ideas and as such make my point easier to come across.)<P>You know things are getting out of hand when the disclaimers are longer than the message.(this message not endorsed by Humanity or anything else for that matter. Aliens need not apply if they feel the need to deny their own existence. As for the voices playing in your head, they probably don't count as well[though maybe the one wearing the purple hat...])<P>
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Postby The One True Paco on Mon Apr 23, 2001 2:45 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BanditAngel:
<B>I wasn't going to get involved here until The Paco's anti-bigot & anti-religion posts. If anyone can find the subtle contradiction in that one... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>
Yah! I never said nothin was wrong with religion, follow it all ya want! I just said I think that all the re-writes over the years messed it up, and all the self-righteous-non-Paco-Approved wierdos like to use the bible to back up their wild claims of knowing more than others. "Gays are against Gods plans!" "Womens rights are against gods plans!" "The blacks are against gods plans!" Like you nut-buster evangelic twittos know what 'gods' plan is any more than I do. We can only see a fraction of the universe, and don't even know everything about our own planet, and we have the audacity to think WE know GODS plan?? We even think we are anything important to it too. HA!<P>The words of the gods are cool to follow, just be sure you read the real words, not what another speck-lived human wants you to read, all in all, it just comes down to you, despite what common theology wants you to believe, the preacher is not any better than you, nor is his/her/its place in heaven guaranteed.<P>The All Unkowing Paco
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Postby Symok on Mon Apr 23, 2001 3:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ckern:
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In this case the kicking was warranted, I'm just disagreeing with the principle of the absolute power. Technically, they have it, but they should not abuse it.<P>-Chris</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Of course they should not abuse the power. But if it is necesary, yes, they should exercise it.<P><P>------------------
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Postby Asha on Mon Apr 23, 2001 3:46 am

I want you all to take a deep breath and think about what started this "discussion."<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ferrett:
<B>now i gotta say this see'n as these are open forums and freedom of speach is a supposed thing...<P>why is it when you oppose someones opinion and quote something from the bible that they are turning around they kick you from there IRC chat... hummm <P>this i wonder... what a bunch of hypocritical assholes... and your lovely Op is such a prick..<P>I did nothing to cause problems THIS time.. and you go and ban me for good.. what type of shit is that....<P>well just goes to show you why we fuck with you guys so much.. what a bunch of ass holes you got..<P></B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>How did this get started? Over something some stupid idiot said? What a bunch of bull. Just leave him alone, he obviously can't comprehend ANYTHING you say.<P>This isn't a discussion anyway. Lot's of people have said their opinion, but no discussing is going on but that's ok because this is a stupid thread.<P>Die, Ferrett, die. At least shut up.
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Postby Jen Aside on Mon Apr 23, 2001 4:00 am

You'd think it would be easy to tell people what not to do... nope... "It is a tragedy when one has to tell a mother to take care of her child..."<P>
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Postby The One True Paco on Mon Apr 23, 2001 6:02 am

*Paco stops.... Paco thinks.... yes, this is a stupid thread, yes, these are obviously flames, and yes, no one gives a good gosh darn about anyone elses opinion when given in the forms we're giving them, except as something to be offended by.....*<P>erm...<P>*Paco also remembers the fireball in his hand.*<P>Ummmmmm.<P>*Paco must be good, he wants to impress Asha... but Paco also likes arguing, because it is the closest people get to his version of sane when they are at the height of their spittle-laden speeches while on their soapboxes.*<P>Hmmmmm.... toss or not toss....toss or not toss... gods, why do you tempt the Paco so? I have been good! (well, according to me. Everyone else is insane and filthy liars).<P>Arg! I'll make the decision after Space Cowboys, later.<P>The Indecisive Paco<P>------------------
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Postby ckern on Mon Apr 23, 2001 6:48 am

There is one thing more that I haven't yet seen said. While it is true that the ops have technically complete power over the channel, that does not mean they should exercise it. When a channel like #avalon is labelled as the official channel of a certain newsgroup, forum, strip, whatever, the ops have a duty to maintain that "official" nature. This would preclude things like kicking off everybody but their friends.<P>In this case the kicking was warranted, I'm just disagreeing with the principle of the absolute power. Technically, they have it, but they should not abuse it.<P>-Chris
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Postby Jen Aside on Mon Apr 23, 2001 8:31 am

Josh could close this thread... The flamebait seems to have quieted, anyway, now that he knows he will find no allies here.
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Postby The One True Paco on Mon Apr 23, 2001 8:57 am

No Noooo, stay and flame you I will, hmm, yes!<P>Anger, envy, fear, these lead to the dark side!<P>Feel the power FLOWING through you!<P>Oh wait, that's the iced tea I just drank.... ooo, bathroom break.<P>The Squishy Paco<P>------------------
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