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Postby folken on Wed Nov 01, 2000 8:34 am

What's this "United States" thing I hear about every so often? I heard something about a decentralized government with supreme executive power, even without the dubious honour of some watery tart throwing a sword at someone... <P> <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif">
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Postby Dent on Wed Nov 01, 2000 9:12 am

I had never heard Justin Trudeau say two words in public until his father's death. Indeed, who had? If he truly wanted to go into politics, I think we would have seen much more of him by now. Furthermore, if he entered the political game too soon, it would probably be regarded as getting in on a sympathy play, and I think (hope) he has too much class to try that.<P>It's too bad -- after the eulogy, he struck me as a very intelligent man with a deep sense of respect, and an excellent speaker to boot. Good qualities for a politician. But like I said, I can't see him entering the ring just yet.<P>/*On a side note, did I see coverage of the American elections as the headline on a Canadian newspaper? The national post, I believe? I mean, god damn, people!*/<P>To paraphrase someone rather relevant to this thread, being neighbours with the U.S. is like sleeping with an elephant -- when it moves, you take notice. The next U.S. president is going to have a big impact on Canadian affairs, after all. I'd consider it a much sadder thing if we *didn't* give foreign affairs the attention deserved.<P>OTOH, I agree that it's depressing when our own election gets second billing...
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Postby Q99 on Wed Nov 01, 2000 9:20 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dent:
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To paraphrase someone rather relevant to this thread, being neighbours with the U.S. is like sleeping with an elephant -- when it moves, you take notice. The next U.S. president is going to have a big impact on Canadian affairs, after all. I'd consider it a much sadder thing if we *didn't* give foreign affairs the attention deserved.<P>OTOH, I agree that it's depressing when our own election gets second billing...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I'd be suprized if Bush knew the name of any politician in your country , or even Canada's location for that matter.<P>To be honest , I'd rather hear about your election too. But our media stinks , they don't say anything that happens outside the US , so I don't. :::Kicks the media:::
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Postby amnoduck on Wed Nov 01, 2000 10:56 am

if you dont like the media, why do you hold to their characterization of bush?
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Postby Pikel on Wed Nov 01, 2000 11:15 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dent:
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/*On a side note, did I see coverage of the American elections as the headline on a Canadian newspaper? The national post, I believe? I mean, god damn, people!*/<P>To paraphrase someone rather relevant to this thread, being neighbours with the U.S. is like sleeping with an elephant -- when it moves, you take notice. The next U.S. president is going to have a big impact on Canadian affairs, after all. I'd consider it a much sadder thing if we *didn't* give foreign affairs the attention deserved.<P>OTOH, I agree that it's depressing when our own election gets second billing...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>No its not just Canada, here in Australia it made fairly big news, it's not really about foreign affairs since the we never get news on the elections of other countries unless they're really special or something.
They showed the Indonesian elections because they're our biggest neighbor and it was like the first one ever that wasn't totally corrupt, and it didn't get the coverage the US one did.<P>It's more about how US news gets shown everywhere, and US news channels don't show anywhere except US news.
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Postby Sir Forsyth on Thu Nov 02, 2000 2:31 am

Bah...politics...the most eneffiencet thing know to man<P>(what do you call an important person lying to your face? Diplomacy)<P>------------------
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Postby dacut on Thu Nov 02, 2000 2:44 am

<B>Originally posted by Sertrel:</B>
<I>dacut, I don't think that's a fair comparison. You're comparing a national news wire service to individual newspapers... These local papers also cover metropolitan/district news. Admittedly, I don't know enough about Sydney or London to recognize if any of those stories are more specific to the metropolitan area/region than the nation as a whole, but I do know that a newspaper will carry comparatively fewer international stories out of the total available as opposed to a newswire. Not all papers print all the AP newswires on the front page, particularly not international news. A fairer comparison would be to use New York Times/Washington Post front page headlines instead of the AP.</I><P>I didn't mean to imply that US papers were better. :-) I chose AP because it's on Yahoo, and if one takes the top 3-4 AP headlines, sprinkle in a local headline or two, presto: you have most US local papers.<P>I was going to put the NYT up, but didn't. First, their site has a poor connection to work, and I didn't have the patience. :-) But, anyway, it would skew the results even more away from national news (NYT's wire service is comparable to, and in some ways better than, the wire services). Actually, they seem to alternate between world and NYC news. :-)<P>Washington Post is skewed in the other direction; because of it's inside the beltway, it acts as a broadcaster of the goings-on in the US federal government.<P>Probably best comparison would be LA times. It relies on AP/Reuters as well as its own wire service (which is, IMHO, somewhat mediocre). Their (paltry!) headlines today:
Jersalem Bomb Kills 2 (W)
Gore Declines Clinton Offer to Help (U)
FDA Minimized Issue of Lotronex's Safety (U)
Probe Focuses on Report Airliner Hit Object (W)
2/2 again. Seems to be the most common balance.<P>San Diego Union-Tribune:
Flu Vaccine Tardy as Needy Wait (L)
Regulators Say Prices Unlawful - But No Refunds (L)
Truce Reached in Mideast; Israel to Suspend Reprisals (W)
As Tight Race Enters Homestretch, Gore Steps Up Pace, Bush Cruises (U)
Gore Hanging on to a Shrinking Lead in Quest for California (L/U)
1/2/2, with the world headline grabbed from AP. :-)<P>I cut out a few paragraphs from my previous reply because it was already too long (as this one has grown :-), but they basically made the same point as you did in your reply. Also offered an explanation as to why world papers tend to report US news (not that they love the US, just that the decisions made here seem to have far-reaching economic consequences).
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Postby dacut on Thu Nov 02, 2000 2:47 am

As I was mentioning about the NY Times, here's one of their headlines:
Kramnik Defeats Kasparov in Chess<P>As I alluded to, they like to put these things in just to prove a point. :-)
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Postby Coota on Thu Nov 02, 2000 7:02 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by amnoduck:
<B>if you dont like the media, why do you hold to their characterization of bush?</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Because while Bush might know where Canada is, and while he might be a competent man, he's still evil incarnate. Vote Gore: four years of him, and then they'll elect McCain next time around! I hope.<P><P>------------------
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Postby dacut on Thu Nov 02, 2000 8:19 am

I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be. For example, today's AP headines are:
Jerusalem Market Explosion Kills 2 (W)
Mideast Leaders Delay Truce Call (W)
Gore, Bush Charge Through Midwest (U)
Space Station Gets First Residents (U/W)
Bomb Suspects Allegedly Attack Guard (U)
Families to ID Taiwan Crash Victims (W)
U.S., N. Korea Talk Missiles (U/W)
U.S., Yemeni Negotiators Near Deal (U)
Typhoon Leaves 54 Dead in Taiwan (W)
Heat 105, Magic 79 (U)<P>That's 4 world, 4 US-specific, and 2 mixed stories.<P>For comparison, here are Friday's headlines from the Sydney Morning Hearld:
Fijians Rocked by New Revolt (W)
Waugh Says Bookie Claims Untrue (A)
21,000 Toxic Tonnes Stuck on the Barrier Reef (A)
Weather a Worry for Derby Day (A)
Bideau Ignored Fears From Cash-Strapped Ex (A)
NAB's $3.24bn Profit Flies in the Face of Fees Fury (A)
Buying Spree Lifts Dollar (A)
That's 1 world, 6 Australia-specific.<P>London Times:
Two Killed in Jerusalem Blast (W)
Straw Unveils Plan to Beat Fuel Protests (UK)
Blair Heckled on Flood Damage Tour (UK)
Re-railing Will Take Six Months (UK)
Astronauts Make Space Station Home (W)
2 world, 3 UK.
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Postby Dent on Thu Nov 02, 2000 10:14 am

Quoth Q99:
/*I'd be suprized if Bush knew the name of any politician in your country , or even Canada's location for that matter.*/<P>Got time for a quick anecdote? Earlier on in the Republican campaign, a Canadian journalist/comedian (think Bill Maher) met up with G.W. himself, and posing as an actual CBC correspondent, announced that Canadian Prime Minister Jean Poutine (<I>not</I> his real name) was backing Bush in the primaries. Bush just smiled and nodded, and thanked the Canadian people.<P>Sigh...
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Postby Josh Phillips on Thu Nov 02, 2000 10:33 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dent:
<B>Got time for a quick anecdote? Earlier on in the Republican campaign, a Canadian journalist/comedian (think Bill Maher) met up with G.W. himself, and posing as an actual CBC correspondent, announced that Canadian Prime Minister Jean Poutine (<I>not</I> his real name) was backing Bush in the primaries. Bush just smiled and nodded, and thanked the Canadian people.<P>Sigh...</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That sounds like <I><A HREF="http://www.salter.com/22minutes/22hour.htm">This Hour Has 22 Minutes</A></I>' Rick Mercer. He does a segment called "Talking to Americans," where he goes to the states and talks to the unsuspecting locals about how Prime Minister Don Cherry passed a bill to permit the publication of local newspapers, and stuff like that.<P>I remember one show where Mercer actually spoke to Gore on his campaign in Washington, and I'm hoping Gore just played along, because Mercer sold him some whopper of a mistruth about Canada. Though I admit it was kinda funny. :-)<P>JOSH.
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Postby Sir Forsyth on Thu Nov 02, 2000 11:50 am

go figure...no country cares about another...<P>------------------
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Postby Sertrel on Thu Nov 02, 2000 12:25 pm

dacut, I don't think that's a fair comparison. You're comparing a national news wire service to individual newspapers... These local papers also cover metropolitan/district news. Admittedly, I don't know enough about Sydney or London to recognize if any of those stories are more specific to the metropolitan area/region than the nation as a whole, but I do know that a newspaper will carry comparatively fewer international stories out of the total available as opposed to a newswire. Not all papers print all the AP newswires on the front page, particularly not international news. A fairer comparison would be to use New York Times/Washington Post front page headlines instead of the AP.<P>Sertrel
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Postby Sir Forsyth on Fri Nov 03, 2000 2:57 am

I actualy went to a live taping of that show and it was halarious.<P>I know what you mean i think that it could be Mercer who did that....<P>------------------
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Postby Coota on Fri Nov 03, 2000 4:00 am

I'm of the opinion that not voting is indeed a waste. Vote for whoever you believe in, be it the people who run, or your dad, or your mentor, whatever; just vote. Because votes actually do make a difference. <P>However, instead of voting for canidates YOU don't like, take the Constitutional Route! Overthrow the government legally, ala the Constitution of the United States of America. All you need is a certain percentage of signatures, and you can overthrow the government! I believe it's something like 150 million people who need to sign it right now. I'm not sure. I just know that it IS possible! Overthrow the government, then throw elections without allowing special interests groups into the mix!<P>And no, I'm not going to declare myself dictator. Probably.<P>And just because I'm Gore's personal assassin doesn't mean I work for him. <P>------------------
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Postby Dent on Sat Nov 04, 2000 1:45 am

First: Yes, it is Rick Mercer. Who has more comedy in a sixty-second rant than the entire Air Farce has all season. (Just my opinion.)<P>Second: Not voting is an ineffective protest, because all it does is decrease the number of diehard fanatics someone needs to win. You're making it easier for them that way.<P>I'm agreeing with Coota here -- write in a vote instead. How about voting for yourself? That's the only way on the ballot to make your "none of the above" stance officially recognized.<P>And look into that overthrowing petition, while you're at it. : )<P>Dent<P>P.S. Why would I get paid for saying that? I'm not even an American citizen...
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Postby Sir Forsyth on Sat Nov 04, 2000 2:42 am

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