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Postby Doc on Wed Apr 26, 2000 9:22 am

Hey there. I just wondered how I could get to have a spot as keen as this one. Well, I don't really want to run a hub, I just want legions of fans to come and love me and my comic. Or even just me, I don't care.<P>So huh? How about it? What do I have to do to get some of that sweet sweet lovin' that everyone else enjoys so much? =)<P><P>------------------
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Postby Gav on Thu Apr 27, 2000 2:03 am

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Richard Cobbett:
<B>and I persuaded an international terrorist to paint the Nukees logo on his atom bomb.
</B><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's the best persuasive tactic I've heard thus far!<P>Richard: Do you not have archives on your site? I could only find one strip over there.<P>Also, I mentioned it before, but be warned that what we're looking for in new strips is consistancy and daily content (at least M-F), in addition to just being "good" and/or "funny". Chris is supposed to have an "About" page up soon, but I think he's having trouble with his ISP.
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Postby Doc on Thu Apr 27, 2000 2:39 am

Sounds good, thanks for the info. I'll be awaiting my letter of invitation any day now, and I expect the throngs of fans shortly after. Thanks. =)<P><P>------------------
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Postby Richard Cobbett on Thu Apr 27, 2000 4:23 am

(WARNING : INCOMING HYPERBOLE)<P>Gav,<P>There may have been a problem with the HTML when you visited - but I didn't have any problems when I checked just now. I don't archive in the same way as most people. There's a Javascript pulldown underneath the current comic, they all load from the same page. There are quite a few there :-) I didn't want to set up a PHP/ASP system, but equally I don't enjoy trawling archives on other sites much (too fiddly). It seemed like a good compromise.<P>Regarding the standard rules (well, you're listening - so let's pitch :-)), I only do Mondays and Fridays because that's what I picked a few months ago - I hadn't done this kind of thing before and didn't want to bite off more than I could chew. Also, since I use 3D stuff it sometimes takes longer to render new characters (I compensate by reusing the bodies/using photographs) and background sets - I do it pretty quickly - the Moonbase background in the Greg Dean cameo strip only took me about fifteen minutes, but if I want (say) a time machine, or a Wild West set I can't just reach for a piece of vellum and a pen :-)<P>I spend most of the time which I devote to Floor 13 during the week writing other stuff such as the ad banners (if you look at them you'll see that they're jokes at the moment since I don't get enough hits for it to be worth even applying to an ad company), Spam Wars and parodies. If you are concerned at the relatively few number, I would comment that I only post the ones that I think people will be interested in AND which I think are entertaining - I do plenty of others for fun. The screenplays of The Matrix and The Phantom Menace have been very popular with readers. Doing less of this would leave plenty of time to draw the strip.<P>I'm currently planning to add another strip on Wednesdays - I think of loads of ideas during a week, but at present I write them up on the evening in question - doing M-F would be quite feasible since I'd just have to draw them a couple of weeks in advance. As far as consistency goes - well I've been going since the start of January and I've never missed a day, even the time I got back to my desk at half past three in the morning ("Spammers Beware!") :-) And I certainly seem to be doing something right - I haven't advertised more than putting my sig in posts on Keenspot, a couple of mentions in a relatively small newsgroup, and to individuals - but I get about 50-75 visits a day and most of them are repeat visitors. Hell, even Lowtax complemented the Daikatana one (which annoyed me because I wanted the free hits of being Awful Site of the Day. but never mind :-))<P>Plus, if you need any more persuasion (and lets face it, you're probably rolling your eyes around and never want to see me again) I'm one of the very few 3D webcomics around (have you ever read Badtech? I want to shoot whoever thought that that wallpaper was a good idea), and it deals with gaming without being a geek strip (by which I mean Real Life, Penny Arcade, Etherlife and so forth - I love reading all of them and I don't use the word 'geek' in a derogatory sense given that I probably have all the characteristics to qualify, but I take a different spin on things).<P>I'm also English, boosting the variety in nationalities on the site, and would therefore be adding another type of humour. Plus, I have an ego the size of a small universe and am a total suck-up artist :-) BTW : I love Nukees. Mind you, that goes for a lot of the KS comics - if you check Pentasmal you'll see some pieces of fan art that I made, and I'm still reading through back archives at 1:24AM 8-)<P>(I also HATE my current web server and want to ditch it like toxic waste......the domain name's easily transferable and I like the fact that it's easy to remember - but the service is as slow as Hades)<P>Incidentally, I read the various Members pages - it's an easy URL to guess - you might want to password protect them if you don't want people knowing the darkest Keenspot secrets. Which brings me to my next approach to get in : blackmail. But that's for another day (evil cackle displaying general evilness and jagged fangs (also evil))<P><P>------------------

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Postby Richard Cobbett on Thu Apr 27, 2000 4:27 am

(yowza - I didn't realise how long that post was until I saw it on the board)
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Postby Gav on Thu Apr 27, 2000 7:58 am

Whew! <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>'kay, I'll go back and check out your archives soon. As for our "rules," it's really reflects the same kind of concerns any syndicate has. Pretty much anyone can be funny for a little while, but they want assurance that someone will be able to keep it up every day for the rest of their lives if necessary. I think anyone who can do M-F for six months and have it stay good during that time and not miss a single day is really saying something about their dedication to the comic. We don't want anyone who just thinks of their strip as a cute hobby for now. I'm certainly not saying this is you, but that rule of ours is a very good way of knowing for sure.<P>When I started my comic strip, I knew I wasn't the best artist and I hoped I could be funny for a long time. Back then (over three years ago), there wasn't really such a thing as a "webcomic". I think it was just Kevin&Kell, some scattered school comics, and me. Anyway, back then I was eventually aiming for newspaper syndication because it was the only way to go. But I knew that I would never be ready for real syndication unless I was willing to be patient, and to be able to prove that I could produce a quality strip consistantly for a long time. My schedule doesn't give me enough time to do a daily, unfortunately, but I do as many as I can promise and never miss a day. I would expect nothing less of anyone else at Keenspot. But back when I was vying for syndication, I knew I would never be ready until I could prove this, not just to them, but to myself. I don't really know where I'm going with this, except that I haven't been seeing a tremendous amount of this patience, dedication and consistancy (which comes from a love of the art, not a need to become famous fast) in a lot of newer webcartoonists. Anyone who is willing to put up with our admission rules is showing all three.<P>Unfortunately, I also don't have a lot of time to screen new comics, being the "tech guy." I do my best, though. Patience is a virtue... <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>As for the, uh, "area" you mentioned, yeah I have to password protect that thing. There's an awful lot of programming going on behind the scenes here at Keenspot and some things take lower priority...
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Postby Richard Cobbett on Thu Apr 27, 2000 10:39 am

You need to buy a mousepad from my site.
(worth a shot....)

Basically, you need to constantly post adverts for your site until those wonderful in charge people notice you and decide that you are wonderful (if this fails, try threats, jokes or cheap cameos of their characters in episodes of your strip. With any luck, they'll offer you a position on Keenspot just to shut you up.<P>That's my plan anyway. The marble for the Superosity shrine is arriving tomorrow and I persuaded an international terrorist to paint the Nukees logo on his atom bomb.<P>Life's a hulla-kaboom!<P>----<P>But the official version is that you need to be invited (hint, guys, hint!)
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Postby Richard Cobbett on Thu Apr 27, 2000 10:41 am

Heh. Anybody who wants to take a look, the URL is <A HREF="http://www.keenspot.com/secret/members/cult/harvestmoon/murder/bigpanda/index.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.keenspot.com/secret/members/cult/harvestmoon/murder/bigpanda/index.html</A> <P>As far as your rules go, they're a pretty good way of working - but if Help Desk has been Mon-Fri without ever missing a day then I'm a nun :-) (not a dig at Chris Wright, I've just been reading it for a long time!) I'd also challenge your comment about people doing it as a "cute" hobby - I've never even considered the idea of trying to get syndicated (and I doubt that with my graphics style it would ever be likely anyway :-)) but I do take it seriously - I think that that probably goes for a lot of other people too. On the other hand - I know exactly what you mean, a lot of sites fold within a few weeks when the writer gets fed up and a lot more basically only have one joke because they chose a difficult subject.
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Postby Richard Cobbett on Fri Apr 28, 2000 3:56 am

CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!<P>You can no longer get to the Cult of the Harvest Moon's Big Panda Murder page on the hidden Keenspot Members page! It has been password protected! See how the Keenspot Staff fear me, and how the end of the world may be coming to an end!<P>Or don't. Whatever you want to do is fine, really.
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Postby Gav on Fri Apr 28, 2000 4:24 am

Rule Number 1: We can always break our own rules. <IMG SRC="http://www.keenspot.com/KeenBoard/smile.gif"><P>Also, Help Desk was part of our initial recruitment. Lots of our initially recruited comics are not daily (including mine). Some sites took longer than others to (A) accept our offer or (B) get set up at Keenspot. So if you see comics added later that blatantly violate the rules, it's likely that it just took longer to get them set up.<P>As for "seriousness," I never meant to suggest that you were not serious about your comic. I'm sure you are. I actually have no idea--I haven't gotten to even read them all yet. I was saying that as a general explanation to everyone reading about our rules and didn't mean it specifically towards you.<P>However, even if you have more dedication than even Schulz, there's no way for <B>us</B> to know that just because you say you are serious. However, if you can put out a quality strip for six months, daily, and never miss a day, and do it while stranded at Geocities or some backwater host while no one reads your comic, then that <B>does</B> tell me something about your seriousity (not to be confused with Chris' comic). Hense, the rule makes a lot of sense to me.<P>So does Rule #1 above, though. We're not stupid. If you can't go daily because you're making a 3D Animated feature film every other day, then, well... We HAVE common sense...<P>As for the password protection--we had to put that up before you started messing with the Maximum Fun Chamber.<P>------------------
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Postby Richard Cobbett on Fri Apr 28, 2000 6:24 am

I wasn't trying to imply that I thought that you were trying to im....<P>..let's start that one again...that response is turning into the last strip I posted, which is frankly a scary thought.....<P>It (like yours) was a general comment - I know that you weren't referring specifically the the collection of pixels that I assemble and display on a twice weekly basis. And as for the Maximum Fun Chamber, why hide that? It's Minimum that must remain a secret. But not for long - it's really here :

(CENSORED BY KEENSPOT GESTAPO)<P>For I have glanced into the abyss and its heart and soul is EVIL INCARNATE (or, at the very least, EVIL IN-A-CHAMBER-WITH-WALLPAPER-FROM-HELL). And of course, the panda rug underneath Chris' drawing table is a serious PR problem if it goes unchecked :-)<P>We may have got our wires crossed at some point - I agree with pretty much everything that you've said, it's hard to know who is actually keen (no pun intended) since anybody can upload a few strips and claim to take it seriously - it just seemed odd to have the Mon-Fri rule along with a few strips which in no way meet the aforementioned entry requirements (except for the most important one - they're good) :-). Anybody who continues to do a strip even when their readership consists of just themselves, a few friends, and search engines is definitely more committed than somebody who posts a few strips, does a flurry of adverts and is then never seen again. For my part, I've been going about four months and only in the last couple of weeks (mostly due to near constant posting on the KS groups I think :-)) have my hits got anywhere near pleasant viewing - they shot up from about 10 to 45 overnight, they're currently holding steady at around 57.<P>So at least KS has helped me, and I'm sure quite a few others, there :-) So - er - cheers. Now I just need ad banners which aren't going to get me sued or kicked senseless in the street (if you've seen them you'll know what I mean), a massive fan base and an ISP which doesn't have as its hobby losing my e-mail (sigh)
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